Any buck clarification

[Kingofthemountain83]

I shot a spike in Mason 3 years ago and got 57# of boneless meat... Was delicious! I think he was older than 1 1/2... Didn't get him aged...

[brokentrail]

So why not just make it a branched antler deer 2 point or better simple answer. That way you are getting enough meat than shooting something larger that the neighbors dog.

Because the law says he doesn't have to and everyone has a different level of success, experience, and what they want out of their hunt.  If you want to use a 2 pt minimum for yourself, great, you do you. 

[hunter399]

So why not just make it a branched antler deer 2 point or better simple answer. That way you are getting enough meat than shooting something larger that the neighbors dog.

Because the law says he doesn't have to and everyone has a different level of success, experience, and what they want out of their hunt.  If you want to use a 2 pt minimum for yourself, great, you do you.

If it's legal ,then eat it up.

[Tball77]

Hate to start the argument but a spike is a spike and a button. Buck is another.  A spike was a button buck a year ago that didn’t have the genetics to branch.  Many of you have harvested sheds from the deer you harvested and they are replicas of the prior years antlers.  A 2x3 always just that.  A spike, we’ll always a spike.  Those that choose to harvest a 2 yo 4pt are harvesting the future studs.  My personal thought,  if you go to a trophy state do one of 2 things.  Shoot an absolute toad, or take an inferior gened animal.

[brokentrail]

Hate to start the argument but a spike is a spike and a button. Buck is another.  A spike was a button buck a year ago that didn’t have the genetics to branch.  Many of you have harvested sheds from the deer you harvested and they are replicas of the prior years antlers.  A 2x3 always just that.  A spike, we’ll always a spike.  Those that choose to harvest a 2 yo 4pt are harvesting the future studs.  My personal thought,  if you go to a trophy state do one of 2 things.  Shoot an absolute toad, or take an inferior gened animal.

While I don't think you are starting an argument, your facts, based on proven science, are incorrect. A spike is not always a spike. 

[Mike450r]

Hate to start the argument but a spike is a spike and a button. Buck is another.  A spike was a button buck a year ago that didn’t have the genetics to branch.  Many of you have harvested sheds from the deer you harvested and they are replicas of the prior years antlers.  A 2x3 always just that.  A spike, we’ll always a spike.  Those that choose to harvest a 2 yo 4pt are harvesting the future studs.  My personal thought,  if you go to a trophy state do one of 2 things.  Shoot an absolute toad, or take an inferior gened animal.

While I don't think you are starting an argument, your facts, based on proven science, are incorrect. A spike is not always a spike.

Not facts if incorrect, just an opinion.  Fact is spikes do not always stay spikes.  Watched too many deer go through their entire life cycle to believe that as nothing more than nonsense.  There are genetic 2 pts that stay that way, same with 3's and 4's etc...  They all started as spikes in my neck of the woods though.

[EnglishSetter]

Hate to start the argument but a spike is a spike and a button. Buck is another.  A spike was a button buck a year ago that didn’t have the genetics to branch.  Many of you have harvested sheds from the deer you harvested and they are replicas of the prior years antlers.  A 2x3 always just that.  A spike, we’ll always a spike.  Those that choose to harvest a 2 yo 4pt are harvesting the future studs.  My personal thought,  if you go to a trophy state do one of 2 things.  Shoot an absolute toad, or take an inferior gened animal.

While I don't think you are starting an argument, your facts, based on proven science, are incorrect. A spike is not always a spike.

Not facts if incorrect, just an opinion.  Fact is spikes do not always stay spikes.  Watched too many deer go through their entire life cycle to believe that as nothing more than nonsense.  There are genetic 2 pts that stay that way, same with 3's and 4's etc...  They all started as spikes in my neck of the woods though.

Ya.  Many bucks don't branch the 1st year, but do subsequently.  They may have spikes approximating the length of their ears. We would call them "cow horn spikes" as they generally curved.

I've heard the term "Y buck" for a buck that never branched to more than 2 points though with considerable mass.

Oh...and shoot any legal buck you want to shoot. 

[Tball77]

It is facts.  Spikes and button bucks are very different.  Shown buttons are a yearling.  4” spikes typical of a 2 year old (mutant).  I’ve watched on my game cameras the same group come thru on my property and have seen them be a bigger version than last year.  Agreed,  harvest whatever you want,  taking spikes out only makes the genetics better as long as you are not killing the yearling button buck. 
 

[Tball77]

Also,  I remember when hearing you killed a 4pt was the Mecca.  But watched my own hunting party harvest a 4pt that aged at 2-3.  My Opinion,  if you go out of state in an area known for trophy class bucks.  Don’t shoot the small 4’s.  If you don’t find the big buck you are looking for take the management buck.  Those are the ones that are not the perfectly symmetrical 4x4.  Ever wonder why guides in other states offer discounted hunts for management bucks?  Start your google search in Wyoming.  The management bucks are great but never a 4x4.  The genes stay fairly intact

[Mike450r]

This thread was started in reference to what is legal in I presume western Washington any buck GMU's.  Meaning blacktail bucks.  And in that regard, it is not at all factual that 1.5 year old spikes are genetically inferior, some are, some are not.  1.5 year old spikes is just what you get.  Genetics, nutrition, date of birth, etc. can be the difference between barely having a visible antler and having 4 - 6 inch spikes but by and large they do not stay spikes.

You will never see a 4 pt 1.5 year old blacktail buck which you mention.  You talk about out of state deer and management bucks, this isn't The Bucks of Tecomate.

[hunter399]

Also,  I remember when hearing you killed a 4pt was the Mecca.  But watched my own hunting party harvest a 4pt that aged at 2-3.  My Opinion,  if you go out of state in an area known for trophy class bucks.  Don’t shoot the small 4’s.  If you don’t find the big buck you are looking for take the management buck.  Those are the ones that are not the perfectly symmetrical 4x4.  Ever wonder why guides in other states offer discounted hunts for management bucks?  Start your google search in Wyoming.  The management bucks are great but never a 4x4.  The genes stay fairly intact

This thread was started in reference to what is legal in I presume western Washington any buck GMU's.  Meaning blacktail bucks.  And in that regard, it is not at all factual that 1.5 year old spikes are genetically inferior, some are, some are not.  1.5 year old spikes is just what you get.  Genetics, nutrition, date of birth, etc. can be the difference between barely having a visible antler and having 4 - 6 inch spikes but by and large they do not stay spikes.

You will never see a 4 pt 1.5 year old blacktail buck which you mention.  You talk about out of state deer and management bucks, this isn't The Bucks of Tecomate.

The Bucks of tecomate.......lol
Management buck...... Right into roast.....lol
Washington breeds dinks for licence sales ,any buck is better than tag soup.
I've asked for APR in units before, answer is always.....NO