Need someone to review my plan

[uncoolperson]

I think I have the regs (can someone check me on that?) and some of the logistics worked out.

Late aug/early sept I plan to meet up with my brother who is walking the Pacific Crest Trail (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,26007.msg296848.html) and do the section that makes it's way through the alpine lakes area.

I was thinking I'd try to work this into a high deer hunt scout trip, and bear trip.
I know this isn't the deer section, but a basic deer tag is good for the high hunt right?

Bears, my only experience with them is scary. My only experience cleaning a mammal is helping a friend clean a deer last year.
Anything special to keep in mind?
Should I work out some quick and easy ways out? I ask because my friends deer was just gutted and skinned and left hanging in a garage for a few, would a bear work out hanging out in a pack for a day or better (wow... starting to think of the weight, that could suck).

Now for the morals question, how much meat saved from the bear would make someone not a terrible person?

Deer I've hear grab the back straps and rack and walk off, same with elk... that doesn't sit right.
From alaska, and everyone I knew getting bear was just grab the trophy and walk off.
But, black bear burger was nummy.... So I gotta ask, if I walk up in there and decide I'm in way over my head, would lightening the load some be considered unlawful waste, or even immoral waste?

This was a quick, "hey that could be fun" read the regs for 2 minutes, asking the questions I know nothing about and a few I haven't gotten to looking up completely yet.

[jackelope]

if you kill a bear you need to get all the meat out, at least try your best. you will need to learn to skin it if you want the hide and consider that weight into your plan as well.  i wouldn't leave meat bundled up in your pack for more than however long it takes you to hike out...it needs air circulation. you should string it up in a tree by the quarters in the shade...get as much of it as you can handle in your pack and head out. get to your truck, unload and head back for round 2.  your plan needs to be hike to a destination that you can get out in 1 day and plan to make a couple trips to get your camp, gear and animal out. if you are even considering leaving meat in the woods just to make your hike easier, you need to learn some more and not hunt till you are clear on your responsibilities as an ethical hunter.
whoever told you to "grab the back straps and rack and walk off, same with elk" needs a swift blow to the head with a 2x4.

a modern firearm tag is good for the high hunt in the alpine lakes wilderness.

[Timberstalker]

whoever told you to "grab the back straps and rack and walk off, same with elk" needs a swift blow to the head with a 2x4.

 

[actionshooter]

If I saw anyone wasting game like that, I would have more points for next years drawings..............

[littlebuf]

your being up front with asking the question so i wont blast you. include getting the meat out in your plan, period or dont pull the trigger. this adds a lot more logistics to your plan but if you cant handle it or make it work than dont do the hunt. this is your obligation as a hunter and a sportsman

[stumprat]

If you are not willing to pack it all out. THEN DON"T SHOOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe you even asked this question.
O.K. I feel better now. If you happen to shoot a bear while your in there. Get the hide off right away. And put the meat in a breathable game bag. Now the most important thing for good bear meat. Get the meat into the nearest creek to cool. Then put it into a dry game bag.

If you only want a bear skull buy one. If you are willing to do the work to get your whole bear out then good luck to you.

[billythekidrock]

I will second littlebuff and not blast you since you asked......but man, you need to get a better plan and to read more in this forum. There are a few good threads on preparing and packing game out of the high country.

You need to be aware and mindful of a lot of things but blowflies and heat are two of the most important if you ask me. Leaving meat in the field because you are over your head is not an option. Empty your pack and leave your belongings and you can get them later.

I am not trying to be mean or rude, but I think you need to forget a highcountry hunt until you have more experience. Hunt and become successful in the lowlands (where you can get help if needed) before you venture up high.

[bucklucky]

Exactly BTKR, Exactly !

[uncoolperson]

okay, thanks... I knew this could be a touchy subject, but figured best to ask than get in over my head or do something stupid.

If the question isn't asked I'm left to assuming, and this isn't something I want to do that about. Never had anyone teach me the ways (though I keep trying to convince people to).

yes I should plan this out, it was a "hey this could be cool" idea this afternoon, fully intended to look into more... probably won't though after looking into it some, I'll just walk with him and pack a fly rod.

Thanks for all the info, I wasn't planning on doing something immoral (which is why I asked, didn't seem right).

[oneezreiter]

I think you did the right thing by asking the question, and am glad that you were willing to find the right answer before getting in trouble.  Well done

[uncoolperson]

I asked a few months ago on this board about getting ahold of some black bear meat, because I wouldn't feel right going by what my assumption was (hunting for a rug). I wanted to make sure I thought it was edible (and it sure was!).

thought I'd add that, maybe calm the waters I stirred up...

I'm sorry, wish there was some good way to explain over the Internet that doing wrong wasn't the intent. I was just trying to think of all the possibilities that might come up...

[littlebuf]

your original idea of doing a high bear hunt would be a blast and well worth the effort it would take to do it right. it just comes down to if you have the will and the time to do it, if now's not the right time don't give up on your idea the hardest work has the greatest rewards. this is especially true in hunting

[billythekidrock]

I don't think you stirred the waters. I think you did the right thing by asking and you are getting honest answers. Even though some replies may be blunt, they are most likely gut reactions to things we have heard or seen and don't like how it reflects on hunters.

The fact you asked is much more respectable then if you went out and killed a bear and posted it and then we found out you wasted meat because you weren't prepared. You would have never heard the end of it.

[bearpaw]

hey uncoolperson,
You did the right thing by asking other responsible hunters and this group on here is not a bunch of slob hunters, they joke around, but they will give you the straight skinny. Whenever you have any questions get on here or even feel free to personal message some of us. You are welcome to contact me anytime you need help.

Just so you know the wildlife officers are real sticky about bringing out all the meat. So it is both ethically important to bring out all the meat and it is a legal requirement.
Good luck, your trip sounds awesome to me, just be prepared.

[uncoolperson]

I figured I'd add one more to my "I'm not really a terrible person" list.

Grew up poor near the kenai, raising chickens. To this day I would almost rather starve than have chicken/eggs/fish.

Usually if I can get the fish out it goes to my wife or my mom and I grab a steak, works out nicely for me. If I don't see me getting the fish out in any worthwhile amount of time (overnight, etc..) I crimp the barbs and send em back. On occasion that one trout gets so messed up I can't stomach the idea of him dying in a lake worthlessly, so I have a lunch/dinner of trout.

really not a horrid person... really...