MOA or MRAD, & Why?

[TeacherMan]

Looking at a couple of different Vortex scopes, they come in MOA or MRAD. This will be the first time I've used an adjustable scope, building a mid-grade distance rifle. Basically, doing what my budget can afford. What would you choose and why? Or does it matter if you have the conversions and app?

[Mtnwalker]

I still shoot MOA but it seems like mils are gaining more and more popularity in the long range hunting world. Supposedly it is a more intuitive system I just haven't taken the time to learn it

[HUNT JR]

In my mind it really does not matter if you are using a rangefinder that provides ballistics. I use MOA and it works for me. I can convert the MOA numbers pretty quickly and have no issues.

I think Mil's is technically fewer "clicks" as .1 mil is .36 or whatever inches at 100 and most scopes are 1/4 moa so about .25 inches at 100 so when you dial out you spin the turret a little less.

I think you pick a system and learn it as they both can be effective.

[bowman]

Mil is a lot easier for wind brackets and there is a pretty cool quick drop method with mils that works for a lot of cartridges to mid distances.

[jrebel]

I’m a MOA guy and I have to many scopes to change at this point.  To me it is super easy, but that’s because that’s what I’ve learned in.   MRAD guys will tell the MRAD is the only way to go.  When I have ask them why?  It’s the same answer, because it’s easier??   

Pick your poison and learn it well….either will work. 

[pickardjw]

I switched from MOA to MILS and have been liking it. Dialing 3.2 is harder to mess up than 14.25. And no one is shooting the difference in precision of 0.1 MIL adjustments vs 0.25 MOA adjustments so that isn't a factor.

I use wind brackets but don't use quick drop. Rifle is too fast for it and I'm getting a solution from my rangefinder anyway.

I was MIL curious but never fully grasped why others preferred it until I listened to this.

[Antlershed]

The only “MRAD is easier” argument I’ve heard is that it’s easier to do calculations on the fly. I use a Sig 8k rangefinder that’s giving me my adjustments, so I’m not trying to solve complex math equations on the fly.  I’ve always shot MOA scopes, so that’s what I continue to use. It’s easy for me to see 4.86 MOA from the Sig and decide if I want to dial 4.75 or 5. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[JakeLand]

Look into the leupold CDS scopes once they’re set and your turret is made it’s easy simple and accurate

[TeacherMan]

Look into the leupold CDS scopes once they’re set and your turret is made it’s easy simple and accurate

I have, they are close but dont have the dial out distance I’m wanting.

[EnglishSetter]

Look into the leupold CDS scopes once they’re set and your turret is made it’s easy simple and accurate

I have, they are close but dont have the dial out distance I’m wanting.

45 MOA isn't enough??? They have 1, 2 & 3 turn CDS dial available.

[addicted1]

I prefer Mrad because I can “quickly” calculate conversions since everything is base 10. Like using the metric system to convert between units. But, since we are Americans and used to Yards and inches, MOA seems to be more familiar to people here including myself. I think you’ll have no issue with either setup. I guess it depends how far your looking to shoot and what your shooting.

[CarbonHunter]

I shoot MOA, mainly because I always have and I’ve never had any issues making the “calculations” given I measure stuff in feet and inches not decimeters and centimeters. And yards verse meters is close enough in my book when using those measurements.

The only real calculations I do is attempt to measure antlers using the reticle in my spotter or rifle scope. Measuring them in MOA is the way we all talk so I figure it’s easier than measuring them in the metric system then running a calculation to convert that to inches. I have never heard it said that the ears on a muley are 55.88 centimeters wide but the world is changing so maybe you guys are on a bandwagon I don’t feel like jumping on. 

[TeacherMan]

Look into the leupold CDS scopes once they’re set and your turret is made it’s easy simple and accurate

I have, they are close but dont have the dial out distance I’m wanting.

45 MOA isn't enough??? They have 1, 2 & 3 turn CDS dial available.

I guess I was looking at a cheaper one. It maxed my 338 at 700 yards when I looked.

[HntnFsh]

Depends if you have a 200 yard zero or 100 yard zero

[Antlershed]

The CDS dials are also set for a specific altitude, so depending on how many different places/times of year you hunt, it may not always be accurate, or you have to get multiple dials.

[Magnum_Willys]

MIL if you don’t know or don’t care.
CDS is handy for hunting - if your rf doesnt work your buddy can give you range.
Each dial is good for couple thousand feet elevation.

I personally use moa but wish they were all Mil

[Gentrys]

they both work well.  just learn the system and go.

[craigapphunt]

Used them both but I prefer mil. Dealing smaller numbers and in tenths rather than quarters is just easier especially in the heat of the moment.

[highcountry_hunter]

I switched from MOA to MILS and have been liking it. Dialing 3.2 is harder to mess up than 14.25. And no one is shooting the difference in precision of 0.1 MIL adjustments vs 0.25 MOA adjustments so that isn't a factor.

I use wind brackets but don't use quick drop. Rifle is too fast for it and I'm getting a solution from my rangefinder anyway.

I was MIL curious but never fully grasped why others preferred it until I listened to this.

Form is taking over huntwa now?!

[HereDuckyDucky]

I run all MOA, but only because that's what I've always run and don't want to mess with switching over all my rifles. If I had to do it again, I would go MIL.

RW

[Jason]

Used them both but I prefer mil. Dealing smaller numbers and in tenths rather than quarters is just easier especially in the heat of the moment.

  I have found the same to be true.

[BeerBugler]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Mils, MOA, whatever you are comfortable/competent with. But don’t use a Vortex (or a Leupold) on a hunting rifle. There’s the best advice you’ll get on this thread.

[craigapphunt]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Mils, MOA, whatever you are comfortable/competent with. But don’t use a Vortex (or a Leupold) on a hunting rifle. There’s the best advice you’ll get on this thread.

I didnt know they banned preferences in Idaho

[BeerBugler]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Mils, MOA, whatever you are comfortable/competent with. But don’t use a Vortex (or a Leupold) on a hunting rifle. There’s the best advice you’ll get on this thread.

I didnt know they banned preferences in Idaho


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Know idea what this has to do with Idaho but I think what your trying to say is that whatever your “preferences” are should be respected by others because after all, everything is subjective right? Well, now that I think about it, you might be right, maybe we don’t buy into that in Idaho, maybe we believe in object truths. Lucky for everyone looking for a reliable hunting scope, objective data is actually available now and anyone can consume it and over and over and over again, vortex and Leupold scopes fail. I’m sure they identify as “good scopes” but objectively, they are not.

[craigapphunt]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Mils, MOA, whatever you are comfortable/competent with. But don’t use a Vortex (or a Leupold) on a hunting rifle. There’s the best advice you’ll get on this thread.

I didnt know they banned preferences in Idaho


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Know idea what this has to do with Idaho but I think what your trying to say is that whatever your “preferences” are should be respected by others because after all, everything is subjective right? Well, now that I think about it, you might be right, maybe we don’t buy into that in Idaho, maybe we believe in object truths. Lucky for everyone looking for a reliable hunting scope, objective data is actually available now and anyone can consume it and over and over and over again, vortex and Leupold scopes fail. I’m sure they identify as “good scopes” but objectively, they are not.

Pretty simple you show your location as Idaho so if you don't get that joke I can't help you. I'll just say the OP's question wasn't im looking for peoples "objective truths" it was "moa vs mrad and why?" Not insert condescending comment here. Hell you and I probably agree on luepold and vortex scopes but I didn't see where he asked about our thoughts on them either.