2027 Pink Run Destroyed

[bigtex]

Well with these floods I think it's pretty much destroyed our 2027 pink run. Certainly one negative about this being a totally wild run, there's no hatchery fish to help the stock. We may be back to square one for pinks after years of record runs.

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[hunthard]

I don't know about, I have more faith in "mother nature" than I do in the WDFW.

[buglebuster]

With the sheer number of fish that return, I don’t think it will be as bad as you may think. If that was the case, the runs would be completely over for good

[cohocrazy]

They should be fine. They've been through worse floods and survived. 

[Fishmaker57]

Based on the life cycle of pinks, they will most likely be fine. By the time Pinks have reached the upper Skagit, they are ready to spawn. Given the prolonged warm fall weather, the river didn’t chill down as fast, so the eggs would have hatched before the floods. Pinks are the fastest growing salmon in the world, and they swim up out of the gravel and head to brackish water fast. Hopefully the Chinook reds didn’t scour or silt in, but time will tell.

[3nails]

 I think it will be 6 years for them to bounce back from this. The wild coho bounce back faster due to 3 and 5 year returning fish. Pinks don't have that.

[rainshadow1]

What is the guess/assumption that fish experience during a flood? Is there gps tagging? Gill mounted cameras?

[FlyFish360]

They'll be fine. If you know anything about hydrodynamics, the current at the bottom of the river is the slowest. Plus those eggs are in the gravel.

[cem3434]

They'll be fine. If you know anything about hydrodynamics, the current at the bottom of the river is the slowest. Plus those eggs are in the gravel.

  spot on and WDFW and their lack of predator control is far worse for the fish than mother nature.

[Bullkllr]

While it is part of the natural process and runs can certainly rebound, it's pretty well documented that extreme high water events can have negative effects on spawning success. You literally get scouring and shifting of gravel in some places. Events this high could be hard on existing redds from any species. While pinks (and chums) don't rear in streams, the fry don't typically emerge from the gravel until at least late winter/early spring. Not the only factor for what comes back of course, but it seems reasonable to expect some impact.

[Alchase]

Well with these floods I think it's pretty much destroyed our 2027 pink run. Certainly one negative about this being a totally wild run, there's no hatchery fish to help the stock. We may be back to square one for pinks after years of record runs.

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If needed couldn't they get stock from the Muckleshoot hatcheries 

[Henrydog]

Fish returned to Toutle after St Helens.  Flooding in a normal part of Natures cycle

[fishngamereaper]

Fish will always return.
But this flooding and run off can't not have an affect on future runs. Fry can't survive long in these water conditions. Highly likely the two year return's of pinks and coho will be impacted.

My concern is summer and fall Chinook.
Chinook impact's tend to be the driving force behind salmon season's. I think the 3-4 year outlook is going to be something we'll have to watch.....

[Bareback]

I wouldn’t worry quite yet. Pinks and coho are typically tributary spawners, kings are mostly mainstem spawners, and chum spawn everywhere. There is no doubt that these catastrophic floods scour redds but tribs don't take the beating that the mainstems do. There are other factors that affect egg to adult survival rates. A major one is ocean conditions. The PDO is cool right now which brings us the La Nina weather pattern and is correlated to higher salmon survival rates.

[Happy Gilmore]

Well with these floods I think it's pretty much destroyed our 2027 pink run. Certainly one negative about this being a totally wild run, there's no hatchery fish to help the stock. We may be back to square one for pinks after years of record runs.

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They were just fine after 1990, 1996, 1999, 2001,2,3,5,6,7,8

[Happy Gilmore]

We had pinks up in the parking lot at Fall City after the prior "wipeout" flood in a river that didn't dump hatchery anythings! WDFW is so full of their own ingredients they couldnt give you a scientific fact if they got an advanced degree with one for free.

[Happy Gilmore]

Anyone who was paid by WDFW to be an expert in anything was simply cashing a paycheck for nothing after 1993.