Is this baiting?

[alanger]

I looked in the regs and could not find a definition of Bait.  Just direction not to use it for some species (wow, THAT is helpful...).

Does anyone know what the WDFW uses as a definition for bait?

Scent is a tough one.  If I use a decenter to remove human smell, is that baiting?  If I cover my scent with a pine wafer, am I baiting?  How about burning Licorice incense?  What if I smelt a jar of honey over Sterno?

Now if I toss a goat carcass out...  that's pretty clear.  But what if I shoot and skin a coyote out and leave the carcass behind and come back and jump a bear feeding on it the next day?  Is that baiting (probably)?

I would love to find an official definition.

Pine wafer cover scent...I don't see how they could.
Elk wafer cover scent...quite possible depending on the game agent.

If you place a skinned coyote in the woods it would be considered baiting.

If you killed that coyote, skinned it on the spot and left the carcass then that would not be baiting. Same with sitting over a gutpile. As long as it is not moved to a more advantageous spot.

(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed,
1 exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the
2 purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons
3 hunt or intend to hunt them.

So the next deer you shoot you need to drag it to or take it to a good bear location and gut it there 

Why wouldnt you. it says it right in the regs....










(NOT TO.)

[dave]

    NO! IF THEY CANT EAT IT IT AINT BAITING, SCENT IS OK

[Antlershed]

    NO! IF THEY CANT EAT IT IT AINT BAITING, SCENT IS OK

Doesn't seem like the RCW agrees. 

[Timmybob]

This is interesting...By the way I bought the "Bear Bomb" at Joes for 80% off before they went under. That is the only reason I bought it (cheap). I just didn't think scent would be baiting. There is nothing to eat and it's just floating around in the air. So like stated before, If I spill bacon grease on my thong, am I now baiting?? Seems like the same thing to me.. What about if I release the spray and then pack the can back to my rig right quick? What is there now to get busted for?? Anyways, Thanks for the heads up though everybody. I may have gotten myself in trouble and I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim

[billythekidrock]

I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim

Make sure you get the persons full name and let us know everything they have to say.

[KillBilly]

This is interesting...By the way I bought the "Bear Bomb" at Joes for 80% off before they went under. That is the only reason I bought it (cheap). I just didn't think scent would be baiting. There is nothing to eat and it's just floating around in the air. So like stated before, If I spill bacon grease on my thong, am I now baiting?? Seems like the same thing to me.. What about if I release the spray and then pack the can back to my rig right quick? What is there now to get busted for?? Anyways, Thanks for the heads up though everybody. I may have gotten myself in trouble and I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim

 

What part of attracting/attractant do you not understand?
RCW 77.15.245
 (d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.

If it is a scent that is intended to attract a bear it is illegal. We go through this every year and the RCW still reads the same.
      

[Gutpile]

This is interesting...By the way I bought the "Bear Bomb" at Joes for 80% off before they went under. That is the only reason I bought it (cheap). I just didn't think scent would be baiting. There is nothing to eat and it's just floating around in the air. So like stated before, If I spill bacon grease on my thong, am I now baiting?? Seems like the same thing to me.. What about if I release the spray and then pack the can back to my rig right quick? What is there now to get busted for?? Anyways, Thanks for the heads up though everybody. I may have gotten myself in trouble and I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim

I spoke to a Gamie face to face about this last summer. Scents are baiting.

NO! IF THEY CANT EAT IT IT AINT BAITING, SCENT IS OK

You are very wrong my friend.

[littlebuf]

spot and stalk or call for bears. that's whats legal, do that and you'll be ok. sent is bait, dropping your sandwich on accident and then hunting over it is bait. the regs are pretty clear

[Timmybob]

Yeah,
   I hear ya....I'm going to give calling a try this year...Thanks again for the heads up everybody..

[follow maggie]

I think KillBilly is right.

[Rob]

Good info.  Where does one find the RCW's and how does one effectively search them?

[whacker1]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/

the search tool works pretty good for most topics.  Everyonce in awhile I get hung up on certain topics.  Not sure if KillBilly is using the same search tool or something else.

[KillBilly]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/

the search tool works pretty good for most topics.  Everyonce in awhile I get hung up on certain topics.  Not sure if KillBilly is using the same search tool or something else.

Actually this is a pretty simple one, I use Yahoo search and entered this "rcw bear baiting" it took me to this:

RCW 77.15.245: Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions ...
RCW 77.15.245. Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions — Illegal hunting — Use of ... to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait. ...apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245 - Cached

Which takes me to this:

RCW 77.15.245
Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions — Illegal hunting — Use of dogs — Exceptions — Penalties.
at this URL:   http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245

[Rob]

Much easier to search than I expected it to be.

Pleasent surprise.  I have such low expectations for anything the government produces.

[whacker1]

I have such low expectations for anything the government produces.

When it comes to the Freedom of Information Act - Goverment goes out of their way to comply.....  It hasn't always been that way, but sure has the last 10 years or so with the increased use of the internet.