First tribal elk kill of the summer?

[littlebuf]

that's how you guys should hunt is on your wagon.... you and your wagon trail....  shouldnt use trucks or atv's.. stickk to your wagons.. litte punk..

are you referring to me? if so it sure is easy to be tuff on a keyboard. i never said hunt on a horse or use along bow while naked, i said have a season and stop being hypocritical; about how white man raped the land all the while your having blood baths in july

[littlebuf]

sounds like whitefoot may have got into the fire water, drinkin a little native courage tonight buddy

[stumprat]

so anda punk.. juss kuz you kant fish or hunt..

If it makes me a punk to say what I see then I guess I'm a punk.

Those units have been decimated by the tribes. Just a matter of time before they do the same thing in the watershed.

[Whitefoot]

nope juss sounding like you guys from my point of view...  doesn't it sound stupid... Don't need fire water to b brave...  you guys will see me ther.. what you gunna do.. cry game wardens.. tell on me...  cry. cry cry.. all you guys do on here..

[Mike_D]

As this flames out of control with ego and gas...

I welcome ANY MAN (be he indian/white/or otherwise) to my camp, to share my fire, and my vittles until such time as they disrespect me, the forest, or the creature hunted.

Until such time, I'll see you either in camp or in the field.

 

[rasbo]

is there any traditional hunters in your tribe white foot...Not going anywhere just wondering

[coachcw]

I work my ass off to be able to hunt. It's not a right it's a privlege that i'm willing to pay for . i think you'll find most of us feel the same way . the whole i hunt for food statements are crap if we spent the money we use to go hunting , we could feed us and all the indians , dont tell me to go hunt in my wagon . If the indians bought beef insted of gas for there trucks efey time they went  to go hunt the mountains there freezer would be full, oh yeah they dont pay gas taxes to use the roads ether,time to pull your wieght Man.

[coachcw]

by the way whiefooty never answered the simple question on how many elk he killed last year, huh

[bearhunter59]

I like the way the tribal guys say the game departments numbers on how many elk the tribes take are all wrong.  Of course they're just a guess, because the tribal guys don't have to buy licenses or tags like we do and they don't make any effort to record how many animals are "harvested" by the tribes.  Because they know if they did, it would just prove how bad they are at conservation....if they even have any idea what that word means.

So, question to the tribal guys....why do you beleive you shouldn't have to have a tag and record each kill.  As your aware, us non-tribal hunters have to not only buy a license and tag, but have it on us while hunting, and "immediately" tag the animal, and then report the kill to the WDFW so they can have some idea of the amount of harverst.  What do you great tribal conservationist have to record???  ZIP! NADA!!!  That's right....you don't buy a license or tag, or record any harvest.  How can you tribes be "co-managers" of the resources when you don't document your harvest?  Anyway, why shouldn't you have to buy a license and tag and report each kill?  The treaties may give you the right/priveledge, but there is nothing in there that says you can't be required to buy a tag and license and report each kill.

And isn't it interesting how the tribal guys on this board have avoided answering the question of how many deer or elk they harvested last year.  And I'm interested in knowing if they harvested more than one, why they feel they needed to take more than one?

[ICEMAN]

I just love getting on here and reading alot of this crap.

Here are the facts in my humble opinion.

Indian tribes were not the first settlers/visitors of North America.

Kennewick man has proven to scientist that the regions first known inhabitants to date were Caucasoid, most probably migrating here from asia.

Indian tribes warred and killed each other over land and resources before white settlers ever got here.

White settlers made the mistake of making treaties with tribes, instead of causing them to assimilate.

Treaties like this do not exist anywhere else in the world, but in good ol' USA. Most invading forces cause assimilation, refugees, or death.

Original framers of the treaties did not want to "give back" anything of value, the treaties were just a quick way to end the slaughter in a more politically correct way.

Framers of the treaties simply wanted the tribes to go away and make way for settlers. Treaties were written to provide the remaining tribal folk a bit of land, and the ability to hunt and fish on said land.

Recent activist judge interpretation of these treaties has given the tribes a golden egg. Framers of these treaties would never have conceived that the tribes would hunt and fish off their reservation, nor did they envision tribes profitting from anything. Framers obvisouly did not purposely intend to give the indians anything of great value.

Todays "Indians" take full advantage of the lucrative interpretation of the treaties.

Here is where we stand today; tribes now sell smokes, gasoline, illegal fireworks, provide gambling to the addicted. Tribes harvest elk where they never existed when the treaties were written, harvest oysters which were propogated my commercial oyster companies in bays that never held any. Tribes harvest salmon just for the roe and leave the carcas to waste. Tribes harvest bull elk off of their traditional hunting grounds for the sole purpose of denying the average white hunter. 

Remember, these are just my opinions.

Another opinion: Many tribal members do not appear to follow any game laws, even their own. Tribes do not appear to enforce any game laws within their ranks.

This is how I see it.

[boneaddict]

I stand corrected Killbilly.

by the way Ice, I'd have to agree with you. 

[3dsheetmetal]

  +2 Iceman your right on.

[trophyhunt]

Lets play cowboys and indians again... and just like bush jr will finish it this time.

[rasbo]

I cant help but wonder..Is there any Indians that try to live up to or be like the Indians of yore..I was talking with one of the guys in puyallop while assisting with the daffodill princess float,a few yrs back.He says they have turned into apples,red on the outside and white on the inside.I have to wonder is there some elders in the tribes that try to teach the old ways...Of all the stories and books that Ive read.Black elk speaks was the best..Im afraid he would have a tear in his eye to see the behavior of some of todays Indians.On the same note I feel the same as I think black Elk would about our culture..

[whacker1]

Whitefoot and Yak - I do appreciate that you two are on here representing your tribe and attempting to help us understand the current position the Yakima tribe has taken.  I want you to know that it is appreciated to be able to have this sort of candor between the various members with your input.

I understand that your hunting seasons are much more liberal than what WDFW allows as over the counter and special permit tags.

I would like to see two changes made in the next few years.  I would like the tribes to start issuing permits whether for hunting on the reservation or off the reservation.  So, the reservation itself can keep track of what its members are doing for annual take and work with WDFW to get a better grasp on how many animals are being taken.  No second tag until the first is turned in and information recorded.  this would also make enforcement of the bad apple tribal members easier, based on the time frames that they might be bringing animals back to the reservation without a tag.  You would still be able to take a tag for the special events, such as: funerals and such, but it would involve a tag for that occasion along with the recording of the information upon return.

Second, I would like the tribe to revisit the hunting seasons specific to summer hunting.  July & August Elk and deer involve nursing does/fawns and cows/calves.  If the cows and does are taken during these summer months the survival rate of the young drops dramatically.  In regards to Bulls, I would like to see the Bulls get a chance to breed.  I would lke to see the tribes move the start of hunting season to September.

I think this would accomplish both the biological advancement of better breeding and improved survival rate for young.  It would also show the tribes publicly as a progressive and responsible group taking an active role in managing wildlife, by making some small changes to their internal management plan.