First tribal elk kill of the summer?

[boneaddict]

my feelings are hurt, but im "closed minded" not morally superior like guys named andrew 

That really bothered you didn't it. 

[KillBilly]

For any of you that are interested, here is a great source for Treaties.  Beware, you might be surprised by the number of recognized tribes that you have never heard of.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/Vol2/Toc.htm

Indian Affairs: Laws and Treaties.
Vol. II (Treaties) in part. Compiled and edited by Charles J. Kappler.
Washington : Government Printing Office, 1904.
Home | Introduction | Index | Search

[KillBilly]

Another question that keeps surfacing is about what do the Tribes do to manage game. An internet search will produce many  Tribal Game and Habitat Management Plans and Programs.

For example: yakama tribe hunting management   returned this:

http://www.ynwildlife.org/tribalmembers.php

[colockumelk]

To simplify it the part of the treaty that gets everyone excited is Article 3 which says.

ARTICLE 3.
And provided, That, if necessary for the public convenience, roads may be run through the said reservation; and on the other hand, the right of way, with free access from the same to the nearest public highway, is secured to them; as also the right, in common with citizens of the United States, to travel upon all public highways.
The exclusive right of taking fish in all the streams, where running through or bordering said reservation, is further secured to said confederated tribes and bands of Indians, as also the right of taking fish at all usual and accustomed places, in common with the citizens of the Territory, and of erecting temporary buildings for curing them; together with the privilege of hunting, gathering roots and berries, and pasturing their horses and cattle upon open and unclaimed land

[elkkiller]

The issue is the fact that Indians get the right to kill elk that are not owned by the tribe or anyone else.  They are free roaming and not property of any tribe or other group of people.   I don't care if everyone on the Rez is an outstanding individual and the nicest most careing person who is a wonderful steward of the land.  It all boils down to people killing elk in excess for what.  This is 2009, if it is food they are after, become cattle farmers, if it is just for tradition, who iN the hell could see killing a bull elk just because your great great great grandfather did 200 years ago.  BUY A TAG AND GET OFF YOUR ASS, STOP KILLING THE ELK.  IF HAVING THIS OPINION MAKES ME IGNORANT, THEN SO BE IT, I AM A TRUE HUNTER AND ALWAYS WILL BE AND WILL DO WHAT I HAVE TO TO SEE THAT MY DAUGHTER AND GRANDKIDS WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT I CHERISH SO DEEPLY.  I AM FOR THE ANIMALS AND ALWAY WILL BE. 

[andrew_12gauge]

all debates are valid until they result in hurt feelings.  Hopefully we haven't gotten to that yet. Hopefully we can keep these conversation civil.


my feelings are hurt, but im "closed minded" not morally superior like guys named andrew   

I dont feel that im morally superior to you littlebuf im just saying that we need to think before we bring down a whole race with our comments, I agree that there are a fair number of the natives who give the whole tribe a bad name but i dont think we need to bring down the whole tribe because of it

[KillBilly]

I'll better ya one Andrew. Percentage wise, there are more white hunters out there making other white hunters look bad. The truth is that the Native Americans that you claim make the tribes look bad are most likely legal within the language of the treaty.

[littlebuf]

i think the issue most people have is not the people (native or other wise) breaking rules (everybody hates a poacher) its the "rules" them self  

my feelings are hurt, but im "closed minded" not morally superior like guys named andrew  

That really bothered you didn't it.  

im hurt bad bone, im hurt bad