Well it's a fun little piece. It's manageable with all the loads we tried but guys, this is just a plinker. I still think it'll be fine for shooting grouse that are standing within 20' but I think that 20' may be a stretch. I also believe it'd be fine for a very close range self defense pistol but thats it. It's not accurate and the patterns suck. If you want a good conversation piece and a fun little pistol to play with, go buy one. If you want to try to hit anything with this thats more than 20' feet away, don't. I shot at some clays on the ground and we had to very close to break them. We failed to hit any in the air. My final "yeah / nea" verdict is still out. I bought this for grouse when I'm bear hunting and nothing more. If it works at reasonable ranges I'll be happy. If not, I'll sell it.