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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2009, 10:28:19 AM »
maybe ya could get with the local dump and see if they would let you dump the stuff for free with an honorable mention,my wife and I would come down on a weekend,couldnt be this one..Then maybe we can come up to wilkenson one sat and do the same..we could roast some weiners or whatever good idea ice,

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2009, 10:28:55 AM »
If we do it, we should do it because we think it is the right thing to do. If we do it to call attention to ourselves, then we are the same as the special interest group that is driving the article.

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2009, 10:33:41 AM »
If we do it, we should do it because we think it is the right thing to do. If we do it to call attention to ourselves, then we are the same as the special interest group that is driving the article.


well most of us pick up anyway...and we do have a speacial interest dont we..ya know why the libs get so much attention?? they use the media..we must not be the silent majority anymore.. :hello:

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2009, 10:49:29 AM »
I would do it because I've done it before and will again.....due to slobs who cannot seem to cleanup after themselves.....

If in the process it brings good press to the hunting community then that is icing ......

and the idea of creating a group and actually planning volunteer cleanup days is something I have done in the past in other places.....so it interests me and it can be fun.

I used to round up my neighborhood kids and we would clean up all the trash from the coasties .... it caught on and other parents started doing it in their areas and low and behold our entire community looked better with less trash.....and it was fun...

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2009, 10:26:40 PM »
Here's an opinion published today in The Olympian on this subject:

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Get Capitol Forest shooting under control
THE OLYMPIAN | • Published July 21, 2009

Comments (31)  Recommend (2)Officials at the Department of Natural Resources have a choice to make. They either have to enforce shooting regulations in Capitol State Forest or ban target shooting.

The situation today, with target shooters dispersed throughout the forest and not following basic safety guidelines, simply is not working. It endangers the lives of residents and other recreation users.


With more private forest land owners installing gates to keep people out, there are few places left for gun owners to sight-in their rifle or practice their shotgun skills by shooting clay pigeons. Many shooters reject the idea of joining a sportsman’s club and paying dues to target shoot.


But the Capitol State Forest of today is a far different place than it was 50 years ago. Today the forest draws an estimated 100,000 visitors a year and those visitors — people on horseback, mountain bikers, four-wheel enthusiasts, hunters, hikers, campers and motorcyclists — say that regularly they have to dodge bullets from target shooters.


Like any other activity, a few people abusing the rules can ruin things for everyone else.


There are shooters who follow the rules. They shoot at manufactured targets making sure that earthen backstops will contain their bullets. They know not to go closer than 500 feet from a campground, structure or residence and don’t shoot on, down, next to or across roads and trails. The responsible shooters pick up their shell casings, ammunition and other debris. Many leave the area cleaner than what they found.


Then there are the irresponsible shooters. They pull off a road, throw an old television set or living room coach into a clearing and start cranking off rounds. They could care less about the safety of others and leave a terrible mess behind.


Their reckless and destructive discharge of firearms threatens the legitimate use by others.


We’re not talking about hunters, here, although like any other sport there are those who follow the rules by focusing on safety and those who don’t.


Firearm enthusiasts are just two of the user groups that take advantage of the publicly owned forest. The question for Department of Natural Resource officials is how to accommodate forest users engaged in a variety of recreational activities and keep everyone safe.


“Sometimes you hear gunshots from 50 feet away,” said John Kramer, a Capitol Forest mountain biker and member of the volunteer group Friends of Capitol Forest. He said multiple riders have been pinned down by fire from rifles and handguns.


“I don’t have an issue with hunting,” said Capitol State Forest neighbor Marshall Oatman. “But it’s like a free-for-all up here with the random shooting. Nothing short of an outright ban is going to work. What are we waiting for? A stray bullet to hit a biker?”


That’s a frightening thought, but well within the realm of possibilities given the situation in the forest today.


It’s not that much different than the debate over fireworks, which sparked anew with loud Fourth of July celebrations. It’s illegal to buy firecrackers, bottle rockets and other explosives from tribal stands and transport them off the reservation. It’s also illegal to ignite fireworks within the city limits of Lacey.


But violations are the rule, not the exception. Law enforcement officers have all but thrown their hands in the air and given up. As a result, the Fourth of July sounds like a war zone with illegal fireworks exploding everywhere.


It’s similar to what’s happening with people discharging firearms in Capitol State Forest. Violations are everywhere and law enforcement officers who already are spread far too thin are not likely to spend a couple of hours driving the roads or searching the 180 miles of trails in the forest to track down lawbreakers.


What’s the solution to the vandalism and reckless shooting that continue unabated?


“This is a big emerging issue statewide; it’s high on our radar screen,” DNR spokeswoman Jane Chavey said. “With increased public-access closures on private forestlands, we’ve become the last spot in the lowlands.”


There’s not a lot of options. Either step up enforcement and hold the lawbreakers accountable, or ban shooting — not legitimate hunting — in the forest boundaries.

http://www.theolympian.com/opinion/story/916384.html


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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2009, 06:16:43 AM »
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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2009, 06:30:23 AM »
The whole target shooting thing has me concerned. They closed portion of the I 90 coridor to it in the National Forest. Then there was a write up in the Everett Herald where people were target shooting in the Hancock-Snoqualmie where it was not allowed. I hate to think that a few are ruining it for others.
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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2009, 06:34:38 AM »
This is why newspapers are going out of business all over the country. There are so may sources of news now, that people area no longer stuck with their biased reporting and slanted agenda.
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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2009, 06:54:56 AM »
Well, I am going to do my part this weekend anyway.

Anyone willing to go along, please feel free to join me.

Sunday morning I will be entering the woods at 8am on the Rock Candy Entrance side of the Capitol Forest. I am bringing my kids and myself. We are going to go target shooting in a safe manner, in a safe place. We are going to pick up our mess, and pick up the other mess that we will inevitably find there. We will then grab some huckleberries on the way out.

If you are interested in saving these woods for all of our own future use, please join us this weekend. If you live near another entrance to the forest, please join us in the hills and do your part. Lets all see what we can accomplish and start a tradition of picking up after those who don't. ( I understand most of us already do this.)

I intend to email the Olympian, DNR, etc... If you have additional contacts you think would be worthwhile, please share.

Let's all take a bunch of quality photos of the effort. People from all walks, enjoying the shooting sports, then cleaning up everyones mess. Good photos of the amount of trash you personally picked up. Lets post them here after our effort.

I believe it is time to let the general public know that many lawful shooting enthusiasts do care about the outdoors. I believe it is time to make it public. I fully intend to make this an annual event.

Please join me this weekend.
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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2009, 01:53:58 PM »
Good idea, Ice.  My only suggestion would be to try and contact the Capitol Forest Manager and see if they might be willing to supply a dump trailer, or bring one and park it at the Rock Candy parking lot there, and everyone could just bring the trash they collect there.  Plus, they might be able to offer suggestions on the areas they feel need the most attention.  Just a thought...

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2009, 07:06:57 PM »
Good idea, Ice.  My only suggestion would be to try and contact the Capitol Forest Manager and see if they might be willing to supply a dump trailer, or bring one and park it at the Rock Candy parking lot there, and everyone could just bring the trash they collect there.  Plus, they might be able to offer suggestions on the areas they feel need the most attention.  Just a thought...

That is a good idea, but I am afraid that DNR will probably direct you to FOC who are the ones with the agenda. >:(




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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2009, 07:29:36 PM »
This might be just another stray bullet, but did you ever consider that it might be the anti-hunting crowd trying to get these places shut down, then you have the environmentalists, pretty much the same lowlife outfit. They will do anything as you have seen to get what they want.

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2009, 02:05:44 PM »
I went to teh CF with a buddy.  There was a vary large number of people that were shooting off the side of the road.  Some that were standing in the road that we had to stop for becuase they couldnt hear us coming.  It was rediculous.  Im really amazed that it hasnt been shut down before now.  It isnt hunters, or shooters per se, but idiots that are and have ruined shooting for us.

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Re: Tension continues in Capitol Forest
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2009, 06:26:00 PM »
It is our neighbors, friends and our kids. Parents make sure you know where your teenager is going to shoot and remind them to follow the rules and to remember that anti's are always watching.




 


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