Most overrated cartridges

[bearpaw]

JoshT you had me wondering so I checked my Sierra reloading book.

.308  - 180 grain top load - 2600 fps muzzle - 2283 fps 200yds

30/06 - 180 grain top load - 2800 fps muzzle - 2312 fps 300yds

300 WM- 180 grain top load - 3000 fps muzzle - 2333 fps 400yds

You gain 100 yards with each step up from 308 to 30/06 to 300 win mag.

[bearpaw]

I checked again and added two more guns.

.308  - 180 grain top load - 2600 fps muzzle - 2283 fps 200yds

30/06 - 180 grain top load - 2800 fps muzzle - 2312 fps 300yds

300 WM- 180 grain top load - 3000 fps muzzle - 2333 fps 400yds

300 UM- 180 grain top load - 3150 fps muzzle - 2308 fps 500yds
(had to calculate, may be 10-20 fps off)

30/378 - 180 grain top load - 3248 fps muzzle - 2272 fps 600yds   
(had to calculate, may be 10-20 fps off)

You gain about 100 yards with each step up from 308 to 30/06 to 300 win mag. to 300 UM to 30/378.

Check it out 30/378 does at 600 yards what 308 does at 200 yards.

[bearpaw]

whats really interesting is that the 30/378 factory ammo claims I think 3400, but most reloaders do not have the powder to duplicate that claim.

[JoshT]

That's pretty close to what I was thinking... but I don't think it really matters... a bear shot with a .308 won't know that it wasn't an '06... regardless of range. Step up to the RUM... and they'll know.

That's pretty aneamic for a .300 win load... and pretty light for a .308...

Personally I've seen about 2700, 2850, and 3100 out of the combo for 180s... though I think the best bullet weights are 165s in the .308 & '06... and 180s in the .300.

I can shoot a 208 that fast (3150) out of my Sendero... it'll do at half a mile what a .308 with a 180 will do at 200 yards. And, I've yet to see a 30/378 that will out run a .300RUM when the chrony comes out...

[tlbradford]

If there is one thing we have learned about JoshT, its that he is never undergunned for the situation.   

[JoshT]

I carry a 9mm... so some would argue that I'm undergunned for a carry pistol...

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[tlbradford]

I carry a 9mm... so some would argue that I'm undergunned for a carry pistol...

   I just lost all repect for your point of view now.     C'mon you know you want a .45.   

[JoshT]

Just got one... but I'd never carry it. I'll take my 18+1 of 9mm in a pistol that has never had a hick-up (XD-9)... long before 7+1 in a finicky 1911.

We all know it's about shot placement anyway... isn't it?

[tlbradford]

I have that debate with my brother in law all the time.  He is exactly like you.  Big calibers for hunting, 9mm for carry.  Above all else your carry gun shouldn't be finicky.  You may need to get some work done to loosen that 1911 up.

[huntnphool]

I'll take my 18+1 of 9mm in a pistol that has never had a hick-up

  92F for everyday here.

[Bofire]

I dont like double stacks, I'll take my unfinicky shoot every thing all day long 1911 45.

[bearpaw]

joshT......that was out of my sierra info....they are all a little different.

So far Retumbo is the best powder we can find for the 30/378. Does anyone know anything better, I haven't researched new powders lately. Manufacturers are keeping quiet what powder they use to get the higher velocities.

 

[JoshT]

Retumbo is what I shoot in my .300 RUM... unless I'm running the 240s, then it's US869... but I don't shoot those too much.

I dont like double stacks, I'll take my unfinicky shoot every thing all day long 1911 45.

I think the .45 is a little 'overrated' too... So, that makes me a total heretic... calling the .30-06 and .45ACP overrated... I expect someone to pull my citizenship anytime now.

[Intruder]

From an efficiency perspective the 25-06 really doesn't perform well... in that sense it's overrated.