Well Mulehunter, I don't think most people will get involved and fight this till it is in their own backyard. Hell I didn't, I didn't know snot about these wolves till we started finding all the killing grounds, mass slaughter. First time I saw one of these big black wolves I thought it was neat as hell, we had one in here 4 years ago that would sit bout 100 yds from the house on this little hogback ridge and howl, our stock dogs would howl back. Now we have wolves every where here. It won't be long like you say and they will be all over Washington. Some people might not believe it, but it will happen, and the wdwl will be translocating problem wolves and excess wolves to other parts of the state. I think if all the states that are being affected by these wolves would get togeather and fight it, our chances would be better. The way it is going now they are picking us off one n two states at a time. Maybe we can see delisting earlier if we can prove to the right people that there are more wolves in washington then the wdwl are claiming, maybe than we can get delisted earlier. We need everyone's help though. Same with hunting seasons, hunters fisherpeople,etc, need to get involved as this will affect all of us. This is not one of the "wait n see's". By that time it will be to late. And I think we all hate that word IF, if I would have just been goin a little slower, the truck would still be on the road! IF I would have jumped in and fought the wolf issue a little bit harder maybe then we would still be hunting. I think in order to get these wolves managed early enough to save our huntng rights and public lands use we are going to need everyone getting involved.