My reaction to what I've read concerning Washington Wolves on this forum

[Houndhunter]

You know, when you read the original poster a second time, he also made threats to "shoot" hunters. It is not outside the realm that he intends to do harm to someone. Just cause you look like a hippy does not mean you can not ambush a person. Not all break ins to our rigs are thieves. Eco terrorist nuts are real and they aren't taken as seriously as they should be. I think I will forward this rant on to the Tacoma Sherriff's office and the FBI. If he does go into the woods and something does happen it shows premeditation.

(Seriously.)

this year bear hunting we had a run in with some greeners and they saw which car was ours and knew we were bear hunting, well they started before us on the trail and when we caught up with them (hunters are in shape hippys are outa shape ) they wernt to friendly. when we got back to our rig a couple days later someone had gotten into our gas a siphened it all out, cant say for sure it was them but thats who id guess. luckly a gas station was only 8 miles down the road but we coulda been in a bad situation if that happened some where else

[bearpaw]

If you want to be heard by agencies, join and support the biggest conservation groups that support your desires: sportsmen's clubs, local and state chapters of conservation organizations, etc.  Those are the most effective way to be heard.  One unhappy constituent posting online means nothing; five other anonymous posters agreeing means little more.  An elected or appointed spokesperson who presents the position of hundreds or thousands of hunters to the agency or commission definitely gets their attention and consideration.

Posting on this website is a way to communicate with other hunters, not present a united front - we aren't.  Posting on this site is a way to express your views, perhaps share information.  That's all.

Very well put, I totally agree, all the ranting online means nothing, if a person wants to make a difference they need to belong to organizations and write letters to the right people who can make things happen.

[Jekemi]

Virfirnus: they say that ignorance is bliss. And so it goes in this debate. The so-called "scientists" and "natural ecosystem" advocates on one side and the wildlife management advocates on the other. Facts are not factual when your agenda is essentially a religious one.
The real "fact" of the matter is that we don't have a natural ecosystem anywhere in the continental United States and there is very little of it, even in Alaska. Power lines span our forests, oil pipelines traverse our arctic planes (which by the way happens to be one of the most successful wildlife management projects in the world – the Trans Alaskan oil pipeline). Airplanes fly overhead, train tracks and whistles run through the middle of our national parks. Roads and hiking paths are like ribbons throughout the national forests and park systems.

Pretending that the introduction of non-native wolf species will somehow return our wilderness into some pre-15th century natural ecosystem is rubbish. It is a Big Lie perpetrated by the Earth-First, PETA, radical environmentalist groups, and “Mother Earth as god” types. They attempt to turn environmentalism into a religious experience. Sorry, it doesn’t qualify.
We were put on this earth to be good Stewards of the land; to protect it, keep it beautiful, and guarantee the abundance of its wildlife; its entire species to the extent this management is in keeping with the human element of the equation. The radical environmentalist movement generally fails to take the human species into consideration when they spew their hateful, ruinous, inconsiderate, and damaging propaganda.
Saw Mills close putting thousands of workers on the streets. Mines close devastating whole towns that have been relying on coal and minerals for their livelihood for over 200 years. Hydroelectric dams are torn down causing electricity rates to skyrocket – forcing seniors and those on fixed incomes to decide: “do I heat my house in December or by groceries.”
This anti-human, “us or them” mentality is prevalent in the radical element. The truth is that a reasonable balance can be struck between the genuine needs of man and the beauty and solemnity of the forests and wildlife.
In the past humans have a poor track record of being good stewards of the land. Greed and shortsighted thinking has led to terrible environmental transgressions. However, during the Presidency of Teddy Roosevelt the American Conservation movement began. It took many years to reach its present state. Hunters & Fishermen are now the driving force behind aggressive wildlife management and conservation in the world today. Hunters, hunting organizations, and our license fees donate more money to wildlife conservation, habitat protection, and species enhancement than all other so called “conservation” groups combined.
We hunters should be proud of our recent record and we need to fight hard to protect our values, our traditions, and our right to hunt game species. When idiotic groups come along and try to turn the land back to ancient times in the middle of the 21st century they remind me of the Taliban in Afghanistan, trying to return their world to some romantic 6th century religious enclave. It is lunacy and it won’t work.  Pull your head out of the sand and recognize that 250 million people live in the United States. Land and wildlife management is a fact of life and it works. Trying to create some naturalistic Camelot in the middle of modern civilization is a radical environmental religious pipe dream.

[saylean]

Wheres my wolf rug?!

[littlebuf]

has this kid tried to make another account? i really wanted to mess with him

[bearpaw]

Dave Stiles....that was a very nice response with excellent points.

[rooselk]

So I take it that Mr. Stiles would oppose putting Rocky Mountain elk in areas of the country where elk once existed despite the fact that the original species were wiped out and are now extinct? Ditto on all those introduced non-native wild turkeys, chuckars, etc, we have here Washington State.

[ICEMAN]

Dave, I have not read a better response on the topic. Excellent job. I may frame it and put it on my wall.


Thanks for taking the time to write that.

[woodswalker]

You know, when you read the original poster a second time, he also made threats to "shoot" hunters. It is not outside the realm that he intends to do harm to someone. Just cause you look like a hippy does not mean you can not ambush a person. Not all break ins to our rigs are thieves. Eco terrorist nuts are real and they aren't taken as seriously as they should be. I think I will forward this rant on to the Tacoma Sherriff's office and the FBI. If he does go into the woods and something does happen it shows premeditation.

(Seriously.)

Jay, I've been a recipient of that kind of crap...ALL the glass/plastic, lamps and windows on my 1970 chevy with canopy...cost me about $700 in 1990 to get all the glass replaced.  I NEVER did get the cat urine smell out completely.  I finally sold the truck with full disclosure to a kid who was wanting to do a total resto of a shortbox truck.  I used the $ to get my 1981 4wd.

It was one of the most INFURIATING things to get back to after dark, I had ONE spare headlight with the low beam out...changed that light and crept out to where I could find a phone and called the county sheriff...it was WAY too far to walk.  At that time in life I was a lot younger amd more brash....I'd have been REALLY TEMPTED to SSS a thief/vandal in that instance.  Probably GOOD that they were long gone..
The spray paint came off the waxed paint..not so well on the canopy or the upholstery.

I was SO mad I VIBRATED for WEEKS.....and EVERY time i saw the damage or smelled the cat urine.

[ICEMAN]

I wonder if any Peta members (or similar) have ever experience anything like that. How horrible.

[rooselk]

woodswalker, that really sucks. I keep thinking that some of these "animal rights" idiots could use a real ass whoopin - and especially the dirtbag vandals that do the things you described. Even so, I also know that regardless of how much such a whoopin might be deserved, somehow it would be turned around to make them look like victims.

[DOUBLELUNG]

I keep thinking that some of these "animal rights" idiots could use a real ass whoopin - and especially the dirtbag vandals that do the things you described. Even so, I also know that regardless of how much such a whoopin might be deserved, somehow it would be turned around to make them look like victims.

Only if they were found ...

[Jekemi]

I believe in managing game species, including Elk, turkeys, deer, wolves, etc. in a way that benefits hunters. These species are better off being managed in a controled environment than in the so called, "natural ecosystem." Some wolves should be allowed to live in this managed environment but not to the detriment of the traditional game species.
The game species is worth billions of dollars in hunting related revenue. Put deer, elk, turkeys, etc. in our forests, plains, deserts, wetlands, etc. for all to enjoy but keep in mind that it is the hunters dollars that make it all work. When we manage the land in this fashion everybody benefits from it. If somebody wants to put Roosevelt Elk in Wyoming and believes that the sub-species can be managed effectively for the benefit of hunters so be it.

Those who advocate the "natural ecosystem" philosophy in midst of the modern civilization have their heads stuffed up a particular orifice so deeply they are suffocating. That's probably why they don't think clearly; lack of oxygen.

[Jekemi]

rooselk: perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I'm for putting Rocky Mt. Elk anywhere they can survive, anywhere they can be managed for the benefit of hunters first and the rest of the population second. If you think we can put Rocky Mt. Elk in Antartica and they can survive and be hunted by hunters, with a hunting license, responsibly, ethically, and with a taste for Elk meat,  I'm all for that.

[rooselk]

Thanks for the explanation.