Dead buck already?

[EastWaViking]

  Aren't we all hunting in the same country?

Not really, reservations are sovereign nations.  Which, in theory should mean they would need a passport and an out of state license...actually out of country license, to visit/hunt in America.

[batsquatch]

thats not too bad, i think everyone is used to seeing what i see like a datsun pickup with a bull a cow and a big buck for only one guy. I asked a game warden about the limit he said "they can shoot as many as they can fit in there truck." Sorry for hard feeling but it can get pretty damn frustrating when you see that.

[rezboy]

 Aren't we all hunting in the same country?

Not really, reservations are sovereign nations.  Which, in theory should mean they would need a passport and an out of state license...actually out of country license, to visit/hunt in America.

No, correction, they have the right to hunt off the reservation; without a passport...    (But that's an argument/debate that I don't have the energy to deal with and that you would get a kick out of way too much so your opinion is your opinion....)


And Batsquatch, your right, some tribes are allowed to do that.  I can't speak for them.  Like I said before, my son has actual tags and a "limit" on what he can harvest.  Hell, he even has regulations.  They're almost as strict as the damn WDFW!  

[bear]

Believe it or not, his tags and seasons aren't much different than state seasons.  And does that really matter since he's only allowed to shoot the same amount of animals as a Non-tribal member?  He has to place a tag on them just as we do.  He even has to report it to the tribe.  I don't really see the fault in that.    

I agree, no fault in that.

[SHANE(WA)]

This is where racism begins, where you give benefits and perks to other races due to skin color

[Buckmark]

Believe it or not, his tags and seasons aren't much different than state seasons.  And does that really matter since he's only allowed to shoot the same amount of animals as a Non-tribal member?  He has to place a tag on them just as we do.  He even has to report it to the tribe.  I don't really see the fault in that.    

But there is a difference in your season's and bag limits, yes? Just what are the seasons, dates and limits that you or your son as tribal members have available to you?? easy question, how about a real and true answer..

[Dmanmastertracker]

 A lazy slob hunter is the same no matter what race. I've seen both extremes, one pickup of 8 guys in the back, shooting at everything and stacking 12 deer in the back off rez, then the other end of the spectrum, my 1/2 Ojibwa hunting partner who could hunt anywhere, but never shot a deer in Wa. as far as I know and he lives here. I also have enough Blackfoot heritage to join the club but I don't, primarily because it takes a lot of red tape, as far as I've been able to ascertain. Back to the original subject, if it was one buck, not a big deal to me as long as it was legal, six bucks for one guy would get me a little excited.

[shanevg]

I agree with what bear is saying.  It is the fact that many Native American's get special rights that makes people frustrated. 

I recently talked to a Nooksack Tribe member who was telling me that the Nooksack tribe is allowed to harvest 1 goat  per family from the Mount Baker herd.  Additionally, there are no unit boundaries, so they can harvest them anywhere they want as long as there is a goat there.  He was telling me that he hasn't pulled the trigger yet because he was too far away from his car (his words!)  I guess we're lucky that so many of the tribal hunters around here don't feel like packing a goat out or there would be none left for us. 

Rezboy, I'm not bashing your son who is following the law with his hunts.  I would take advantage of the same thing.  It's just a bunch of BS when tribal members can hunt on more land than us with way more tags than us and then when they do poach animals (which tends to happen pretty frequently around here) they don't even get brought to court because they have special rights.  It's a load of BS!

[Yak-NDN]

You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
 And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse.  They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.

[boneaddict]

No I wasn't being sarcastic.  I wasn't even being mean.  Ceremonial is what I meant.  Nothing wrong with it at all, at least legally.  I don't particularly like any kind of hunting in August, but had nothing to do with this statement.

(question regarding tribal medicine.)

[buckhorn2]

I have stayed out of it because I have real good friends that are native americans. The part that I don;t undestand is how native americans can put in for tribal permits then go to the store and put in for permits for wa. non indian permits. I have a good friend who drew a native moose tag and aa native elk tag and still puts in for all the tags the state has for non indians . I don;t make the rules but it seems what ever they are they should be even when there not then the pointing starts. I hope the boy gets a big buck it sounds like he did the right things and deseves it.

[boneaddict]

Yes, I have a problem with that too, especially when the soverign nation thing comes up.  You are either American or not, but again, I don't think that has anything to do with this thread. 

[bow4elk]

Yes, I have a problem with that too, especially when the soverign nation thing comes up.  You are either American or not, but again, I don't think that has anything to do with this thread. 

+1  United (key word) States of America!

[shanevg]

Yak-NDN, our complaints are not unfounded by any means.  You want a specific example, look at the Makah tribe illegally killing a gray whale in the Strait of Juan de Fuca in September of 2007 (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003876011_whale09m.html).  Despite breaking treaty laws and surpassing their "sovereign nation rights" the five whalers were not even tried in a US court.  Instead they were prosecuted in a Makah court.  They get to the Makah court and the court is unable to find a suitable jury so the charges are dropped as long as they behave in an orderly conduct for the next year!!!    (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004416409_apwatribalwhaling.html)

Seriously, where is the justice in that?!  In the end, that is why I personally get so frustrated with the extra rights that Native Americans have.  Even if they break the American laws and the tribal laws, nothing happens!!  This isn't the only documented case of this happening and it certainly isn't right!

I will reiterate again that I understand that Natives are given special hunting privileges, if I were given those privileges, I would use them as well.  But that doesn't mean the privileges are fair or good for animal populations.  If the Nooksack tribe is truly given one goat tag per family per year while actual Washington state, American citizens are given 16 once-in-a-lifetime tags (only 5 of which are for the Mt. Baker area) that is a load of crap.  And no I did not hear about the Nooksack's rights second or third or fourth hand.  The tribal member told me that those were his rights.  Tribal rights should be limited to the same biological studies that determine the tag numbers that WDFW gives out.  Tribes should not have their own fish and game departments determining how much hunting can be allowed off the reservation in (technically speaking) an entirely different country.  If WDFW were regulating all tribal tags (even if they had special seasons) as well as all the other tags, things may be a little more fair.  Additionally, it is complete BS that tribal members cannot be prosecuted (and often aren't) for poaching wild animals like gray whales, deer, mountain goats, elk, or anything else!

[rezboy]

That is a fair response Shane.  I was actually surprised myself that the fellows got off so easy over the whole whale deal.