Snaggers!!!

[Dustin07]

  If it's on the inside of mouth it is a legal hook up end of story.

in my business ethics class we had a venn diagram which showed a circle of law, and a circle of ethics. The two overlapped where there was a place that ethics and law coexisted, but outside of the inner circle was about a 1/2 circle were ethics were outside of the law, and a 1/2 circle where the law was outside of ethics.

kinda like this but not exactly:

[cohoho]

EML, I like it.....

[Dustin07]

yeah in my class though morals and ethics weren't really divided, and the overlapping space between the law and ethics was much larger, LOL

[h2ofowlr]

That circle probably changes from state to state and with all the laws that Seattle creates, it just becomes law and some of those laws are unethical if you ask the east side of the lake.   

[Dustin07]

LOL depending on who you talk to in seattle the law bubble is way to small and ethics bubble is HUGE while they're just waiting for the law to catch up. Luckily yuppies aint got ballsacks otherwise we'd have a city of vigilantes tree huggers!

[bowtech721]

I have one question about this "flossing" which is new to me... I went to the puyallup yesterday and how the heck could anyone without x-ray vision see through that water to floss a fish on purpose??? i got my limit of legally hooked fish and released a ton of snagged ones that hooked just reeling my line in after a drift how am i supposed to not do that? I mean i released them but it kinda seemed unavoidable

[Dustin07]

I have one question about this "flossing" which is new to me... I went to the puyallup yesterday and how the heck could anyone without x-ray vision see through that water to floss a fish on purpose??? i got my limit of legally hooked fish and released a ton of snagged ones that hooked just reeling my line in after a drift how am i supposed to not do that? I mean i released them but it kinda seemed unavoidable

I think what you just describe is exactly why the WDFW laws are setup the way they are. If you bring an accidental snagged fish in, let it go. If you fair hook it in the mouth, bring 'er in.

the way a lot of guys describe flossing... to me... is basically the same as snagging like you described, the exception being that the line goes through the mouth of the fish rather than along the dorsel or tail fins. what are the odds of that? And again, like I said before... if you flossed through their mouth, the hooked would probably be hooked from the OUTSIDE of the mouth going in. All my non-snagged fish were hooked inside of the mouth going out, implying that the fish did indeed take a bite.

[Happy Gilmore]

The instincts to crush eggs also results in foul hooked fish. Fish seeing the "egg" float by will often bat them with their tails or roll them in attempt to move them from their red or otherwise destroy them. See a school of pinks holding in a slot in clear water, a fish may appear to "take" the yarn but, you end up hooking a tail. They're sometimes batting the egg away from a nest. Doesn't mean you're intentionally snagging the fish when you end up with a tail.

The "feel" of a fish on a drift and a hook set is a "snagged" fish but, is it always intentional? I don't think so.

A guide watching me teach two buddies how to fish for pinks two years ago was talking smack about me near the prison on the Sky. Too bad his client ended up coming over and asking for some pointers on how to fish it. He then said I was disturbing all the reds and so on.....I grew up on the River and I'm sure the dude was from Iowa or something....I just kept moving along keeping close to him and his clients.....kept catching fish and kept watching him give me the stink eye because he didn't hook a single fish for him or his clients.

I had two friends who had flyfished about 4 times in their lives catching 2-3 fish an hour till dark.......

Flyfishing with a lot of repeated casting does pull in quite a few flossed fish, no doubt about that....but seriously, when your not keeping a single fish does it matter?

BTW, Flossing isn't about sight fishing either.....all about feeling the fish on your line and pulling before you feel a bite. That is flossing. Hap.

[huntinfool2007]

snaggers in the small rivers dont bother me at all but when the idiots stand sholder to sholder on the cowlitz while there is 20 to 30 boats trying to fish leagle right in front of them and they r bouncing there led off the sides of $30000 boats thats what i hate the retards all need to figure it out befor someone gets seriously hurt or killed

[littlebuf]

littlebuf, now do you understand my first post.

When the barrier dam closes off the upper river they stay below the hatchery in the closest deep holes and stay either to die or be clubbed and sold for dog food.  It's a waste, so if a person snags a few for food for the family I don't have a problem.  

It's not for me to judge as long as they use the fish for personal food.  Better than welfare.

Seems like a good year for salmon, the toutle should be getting hot after we get a rain, now it's pretty low but some are heading up.  Last year I watched thousand of salmon pass by my house and the hatchery filled up in several weeks on Green River.

I caught my first salmon over 50 years ago , so I do know about mommy and daddy fishy's.  Even carried baby salmon in buckets that I got from my brothers small hatchery in a creek by the house to stock many of the small streams in our county back when I was younger.

cliff

this is one river so know i dont follow the logic 

[fishcrazy]

Salmon do EAT BAIT. With a little work a guy can get most all runs to eat. Most people just folloow the crowd and are lazy.  I laugh at the idea that salmon only take eggs because they want to put them back or some other reason. Good eggs will be swallowed!!! Trying to Floss or snag is wrong. I have seen many fish with bellies ripped open and big hooks in the gut erea of fish that were dead.  Saying it should be legal to floss or snag is like saying it should be legal to hunt with a .22 LR. ya you can kill deer and elk with one because people need food. Come on you know how many it will damage only to die later. Those salmon that are lost Will get fungas and other infections and alot will not be able to make it untill they spawn. Seal and net marks prove nothing but that some do survive. How many end up with internal injuries that never make it. A simple skin wound is nothing compared to the damage that will be left from a large snagging hook.

I don't think fish should be wasted. Like I said. Open the traps at hatcheries for people to dip net the fish out. Food problem solved. And  I can get more eggs to go catch them with.  

Fish hooked outside the mouth are NOT legally hooked. Better read the laws before you get a ticket.

As for the fish that are hooked by the second hook on a bait. I think it's clear the fish took the bait. But If the only hook is outside the mouth you might wanna think about it. The law is the law. Have  Ikept these fish? YEP! but that is the chance I chose to take.  Ethically and morally I knew the fish took the bait. If you can see that it WAS hooked in the mouth by the other hook and only the second held then at least it has a mark for the law to see it was hooked in the mouth and you probably will not get a ticket.

Kris