Legislation Introduced to Attack Gun Shows in Washington

[Shootmoore]

I see your point, but why not enforce same rules at a gun show as they do anywhere else you can buy a gun? 

Because you can't.  It is illegal for LE as your well aware to use the NCIC and provide that information to non-LE.  It has the same issues that the Legal Alien Weapons Permit that there is a lawsuit over now.  They passed a law without the ability to do the background checks.  This effectively put a ban on any legal alien from owning or possessing a firearm.

Without the legal ability to do a background check at a gun show, it effectively bans the private sale at a gunshow which is an effective tool of banning gun shows as they are no longer viable without the ability to sell.  Without the proper laws in place to overcome the ability at a gun show to perform a background check it becomes a ban of gunshow sales under another name.

Shootmoore

[croix]

I see your point, but why not enforce same rules at a gun show as they do anywhere else you can buy a gun? 

I get what you are saying here, but I think the biggest difference is that a gun show includes private sales and individuals who don't have access or resources necessary to conduct a background investigation. Private sales would be subject to a standard that they cannot possibly achieve.  

[Mike450r]

I agree the seller should bear no liability unless knowingly selling to someone that cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm.     I can however see this one passing, maybe as an agreement of parties where the "assault weapons" bill fails but this one passes.

I do think that there should be a way to help prevent people that are unable to own or possess a firearm from buying at gunshow or private sale. Perhaps changing it so potential gun buyers are able to on their own submit the same information used by FFL dealers for approval.  If approved they could print a certificate of approval that is good for say 6 months or so and then be required to present approval with ID at the time of purchase.  They could do this at home, maybe gunshows could have a station with several computers that could be used for this as well.  I know this could be subject to fraud but the people that would do this are more likely to buy stolen or just steal a gun than pay market value.  

If this were a requirement I would then agree that if a gun is sold at a gun show or privately to somebody without ID and proof of approval that the seller be subject to punishment/liability.

[croix]

Just received a reply from one of my state reps. I like this guy - so far.

> As a gun collector, sports shooter, Vietnam era Army veteran and
> member of the NRA I share your opposition and will vote accordingly.
>
> Sincerely,
> Fred Finn
> State Representative
> 35th Legislative District
> 430 John L. O'Brien Building
> Olympia, WA 98504
> Finn.fred@leg.wa.gov

[Deep Forks]

  This such a bunch of   Our forfathers would like to leave their resting place to fight for our RIGHTS   Many of my friends and I have written our legislators and will continue to do so

[SilkWWU]

I'm sorry if I'm going to rile a few feathers, but something needs to be done with the gun show loophole.  Dealers are able to go to these shows and sell firearms without any prerequisites.  I understand that there are other ways up getting firearms, but I don't know why we can't implement a similar background check function at gun shows?  Maybe if the state implemented some sort of background checking system that was call in capable or something like that? 

NOW, this law doesn't appear to be anything similar to what I just suggested, the law in question seems to say, it's a crap shoot who you sell your guns too, no one would sell them!

[ICEMAN]

..., but something needs to be done with the gun show loophole.  Dealers are able to go to these shows and sell firearms without any prerequisites.  I understand that there are other ways up getting firearms, but I don't know why we can't implement a similar background check function at gun shows?  Maybe if the state implemented some sort of background checking system that was call in capable or something like that? 

Uhh...not sure what you are talking about. Any gun show I have attended and purchased at, all Dealer gun sales were run thru NICS just like at Wally World.

Are you suggesting that you have observed a purchase or purchased a gun from a dealer where no background NICS check was performed?

[Skillet]

I contacted both my Rep's about it, and was almost immediately contacted back by Democrat Mike Sells.  He was non-committal, but indicated he would oppose the bill based on the premise that he is "not sure it makes any sense to hold the seller liable when there is no ability to find out the needed information in a reasonable amount of time to keep the guns out of the hands of felons."

[Bofire]

 :)Here is an idea, what if they charge and punish the felon that illegally has a gun!!!!! Instead of trying to make ME responsible to enforce the laws they pass, or make me responsible for what someone else does.

Whats next selling a car to a guy who drives drunk!!!! and its my fault when he kills someone??

flippin morons!
Carl

[SilkWWU]

..., but something needs to be done with the gun show loophole.  Dealers are able to go to these shows and sell firearms without any prerequisites.  I understand that there are other ways up getting firearms, but I don't know why we can't implement a similar background check function at gun shows?  Maybe if the state implemented some sort of background checking system that was call in capable or something like that? 

Uhh...not sure what you are talking about. Any gun show I have attended and purchased at, all Dealer gun sales were run thru NICS just like at Wally World.

Are you suggesting that you have observed a purchase or purchased a gun from a dealer where no background NICS check was performed?

I was under the impression that it was not required to perform a background check when purchasing a firearm at a gun show.

[woodswalker]

..., but something needs to be done with the gun show loophole.  Dealers are able to go to these shows and sell firearms without any prerequisites.  I understand that there are other ways up getting firearms, but I don't know why we can't implement a similar background check function at gun shows?  Maybe if the state implemented some sort of background checking system that was call in capable or something like that? 

Uhh...not sure what you are talking about. Any gun show I have attended and purchased at, all Dealer gun sales were run thru NICS just like at Wally World.

Are you suggesting that you have observed a purchase or purchased a gun from a dealer where no background NICS check was performed?

I was under the impression that it was not required to perform a background check when purchasing a firearm at a gun show.

its NOt required to do a NICS check for a PRIVATE sale...for a dealer sale YES...but not an individual selling a gun.  If I put several of my guns on a table and sold them...private sale...I'm NOT an FFL....so NO NICS...but I only would sell at WAC mostly so I know that folks with club badges are vetted already.