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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2007, 07:24:42 PM »
Dansk,

Congrats!!!

If you do not mind, I am wondering what bullet/powder combination you used?

I am hoping to get my first hunting rifle this christmas, a Knight BigHorn or T/C Black Diamond.

Dbake-

That's a TC .54 cal System 1.  90 grains Pyrodex loose, and a 360 grain all lead Precision Rifle bullet - not sure what kind of sabot.  MMP maybe- it was supplied by PR.  Check their website.  I've tried more powder but more than 90 and I start loosing accuracy.  BE CAREFUL buyin a new inlines- it's hard to find one with an exposed breech, which is required by Wa st law.   Cabelas doesn't even sell one... and the TC Black Diamond is now a closed breech, unless you find an older model.  You must also use "original style percussion caps", so no 209 primers, which have become a standard too.  If i could redo my purchase I'd go with a Stainless hawken style shorty.

Also, your bullets must be 100% non-jacketed lead.


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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2007, 10:27:46 PM »
Dbake-

That's a TC .54 cal System 1.  90 grains Pyrodex loose, and a 360 grain all lead Precision Rifle bullet - not sure what kind of sabot.  MMP maybe- it was supplied by PR.  Check their website.  I've tried more powder but more than 90 and I start loosing accuracy.  BE CAREFUL buyin a new inlines- it's hard to find one with an exposed breech, which is required by Wa st law.   Cabelas doesn't even sell one... and the TC Black Diamond is now a closed breech, unless you find an older model.  You must also use "original style percussion caps", so no 209 primers, which have become a standard too.  If i could redo my purchase I'd go with a Stainless hawken style shorty.

Also, your bullets must be 100% non-jacketed lead.



Thanks for the reminders. I will take a closer look at the T/C BD when I am at sportsmans again, I am pretty sure it is the open breach model.

I am interested in PR bullets, but where would one start? They have 30 plus.

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2007, 10:41:13 PM »
kinda should put your questions over here in the guns and ammo.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/board,9.0.html

its good info and all. im even hoping to hop into a muzzle loader eventually.
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It sounds like it's time to get a new gun.

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2007, 12:03:37 AM »
Congrats on a fine first elk!!!
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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2007, 01:15:35 AM »
 :hunter: :guns:

Thanks for the story and pic...I love snow hunting too.. ;)

Cheers~

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2007, 04:18:30 PM »
Congrats on the elk and never forget any and every elk is trophy.

Good job!

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2007, 11:46:28 AM »
Dansk
Excellent persistence out there. You did well . Hat's off to a fine way to end the big game season!
but be careful firing those sabots out there during muzzle-loader season...

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2008, 05:58:03 AM »
but be careful firing those sabots out there during muzzle-loader season...

Are Sabots not legal in Washington? Quick look at the game laws didn't resolve my confusion.

DJR

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2008, 10:39:01 AM »
Yes they are legal in WA.
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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2008, 11:03:04 AM »
Just be sure that the bullet inside the Sabot is all lead & your good to go. :hunter:

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2008, 06:32:45 AM »

Whew! That's good news, particularly after my son and I just bought six boxes of the now discontinued 375 gr. Buffalo Bullets which our rifles seem to prefer. From the above comment I was wondering if things had changed.

Let me add congratulations to Dansk also. Enjoy the eating, it doesn't get any better than that.

DJR

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As an aside and I don't want to derail this thread, here is a picture of a Buffalo Bullet retreived from a spike my son shot:




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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2008, 11:21:20 AM »
After reading this post I am now confused about what is legal to shoot. Per the following rule copied out of game regs:

(c) A muzzleloading firearm used for
all other big game must fire a single,
non-jacketed lead projectile of
nominal 50 caliber or larger, or fire a
single, non-jacketed lead projectile of
at least 170 grains. Lead bullets with
polymer tips are legal.

Wouldn't the bullet in the picture above be considered jacketed? Please correct me if I am wrong because I have always wanted to shoot those but thought they were illegal.

Thanks, Wahoo

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2008, 11:48:04 AM »
A bullet with a copper jacket is illegal, the "jacket" in the pic is the plastic seal that makes it a "sabot". 

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2008, 12:15:22 PM »
I'm assuming that you think that the Sabot "The plastic" is a Jacket. There's an artical that I read about a yr ago on PrecisionBullet.com that went into detail about this & explained everything in detail.Basically the Sabot is not considered a Jacket. A jacket is the outer layer of the bullet such as a  lead bullet with a copper outer layer.I'm guessing the outer copper layer keeps the bullet from expanding until later down range kind of like a bullet from a rifle. It's such a simple thing but somehow they've made it confusing.Go figure!

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Re: My First Muzzle Elk!
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2008, 12:20:13 PM »
50CalJim Wrote -
I'm assuming that you think that the Sabot "The plastic" is a Jacket

That is exactly what I was thinking. Thank you for clearing everthing up and now it does make sense.

Wahoo

 


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