The first buck is a first time muzzy buck, the second is a first deer. I was able to guide rather than hunt. I'm waiting for my late chiliwist A hunt over thanksgiving.I was able to get a coyote, good practice. The first deer was not much of a hunt, bedded 100 yards from the road, one shot from 50 yards. The second deer we saw run into a draw. We hiked in 1/2 mile,spotted the buck, and made a 120 yard shot .