Idaho Buck...

[MichaelJ]

awesome job mike did you guys see any elk though?

Thanks!!!  Funny that you asked Andrew, on all my previous scouting trips, I'd ONLY seen elk!  (Lots of them too!) Only saw 2 other mulies on those trips, but this time we were after mulies and thats all we saw! lol we were in a different area though so that's it.  I got two full days of scouting for my tag before opening morning so I'm hoping that I can find my bull in a deep dark canyon somewhere prior and kill hiim opening day...

Michael

[andrew_12gauge]

awesome job mike did you guys see any elk though?

Thanks!!!  Funny that you asked Andrew, on all my previous scouting trips, I'd ONLY seen elk!  (Lots of them too!) Only saw 2 other mulies on those trips, but this time we were after mulies and thats all we saw! lol we were in a different area though so that's it.  I got two full days of scouting for my tag before opening morning so I'm hoping that I can find my bull in a deep dark canyon somewhere prior and kill hiim opening day...

Michael

id think youd hope to find him on a ridgetop that way you dont have to kill yourself packin him out

[MichaelJ]

Thats the hope! lol but there's still lots of tag holders out there looking for a big bull and more on the way... so hopefully I find him in an easy to pack spot where he won't get pushed out!   Thats the idea anyways!

Michael

[bill meehan]

"Not trying to be an a-hole and will probably get reamed for saying this:"

then don't.

[carpsniperg2]

congrats to him

[buckhorn2]

Thats sure some beautiful contry shown in your pictures. It;s a good thing you guys are in such good shape that pack had to be quite a job. Nice buck.

[ribka]

Ok Bill M:
Next time I see a nice buck  at 800 yds I will just start lobbing shots at him.
I have many, many hours and practiced and trained in the military and my job at long  distance shooting so guess it is ok.

I 've shot in 1,000 yd matches and did quite well. Can hit a 20 inch circle 4 out of 5 times.

At 300 yds 5 out of 5 every time no question so that is my personal limit but for me personally more important stalking and hunting skills and gettting close to game.

When I find a lot of gut and leg shot dead animals after hunting season I guess it will not up set me anymore

Not about quick humane kill, but about the racks for some people
Everyone has a different reason for hunting

[mtndew]

"Not trying to be an a-hole and will probably get reamed for saying this:"

then don't.

This is an open forum, if someone posts about a long shot, and another member feels it isn't ethical to shoot that far, they have every right to say so. As long as it is done in good form... and I feel that Ribka meet that criteria. He is simply voicing his opinion (which I happen to agree with 100%)

[ribka]

I guess I should put a disclaimer:

80% of the deer/elk/bear/cariboo I have shot have been with a bow. All shots under 30 yds. The majority under 20 yds. The ml buck I shot this year was less than 30 yds.

Maybe that is why I do not understand the 500-800 yds shots at game.

I enjoy the challenge of  getting close to game -I  should not berate people for taking ultra-long shots at game

[MichaelJ]

"Not trying to be an a-hole and will probably get reamed for saying this:"

then don't.

Hey, people are allowed to disagree... I took the chance of getting reamed for posting the shot info...

Ok Bill M:
Next time I see a nice buck  at 800 yds I will just start lobbing shots at him.
I have many, many hours and practiced and trained in the military and my job at long  distance shooting so guess it is ok.

I 've shot in 1,000 yd matches and did quite well. Can hit a 20 inch circle 4 out of 5 times.

At 300 yds 5 out of 5 every time no question so that is my personal limit but for me personally more important stalking and hunting skills and gettting close to game.

When I find a lot of gut and leg shot dead animals after hunting season I guess it will not up set me anymore

Not about quick humane kill, but about the racks for some people
Everyone has a different reason for hunting

Are you saying that this hunt was about the rack and not a quick humane kill?

Michael

[mtndew]

Quick, humane kill? Four shots to put him down. Nothing quick or humane about that. He can hit a steel plate 10 times out of 10 @ 700 yards. So why did it take four shots? A deer isn't a steel plate. If you can't put the first shot in the kill zone, (and he couldn't) then you are shooting beyond your effective range. Now you are shooting at an animal that is alarmed at the least. Or wounded and running. Poor judgement plain and simple. Just my opinion. I am glad that he ended up getting the deer on the ground, and didn't let it get away wounded.

[ribka]

Do not want to start a controversy and take away from the guy taking a nice buck.

Just my opinion that a shot over 5oo yds at a deer sized game is too long for 99/100 people and if you do not take the animal down with one shot  it is not a quick clean kill. If a guy writes on this forum he shot an elk deer at 600 yds I am not impressed. If he wrote that he stalked and shot at less than 50 yds then am impressed. Anyone can get within 500 yds of an animal.

As I said in my post more than once there is a group of hunters that think taking ultra-longe shots at large game is ok with bow, ml and archery. I do not agree and that is my point.  I have 30 plus year hunting/shooting in many countries in the world plus a good deal of military training and am a firearms instructor. When you start taking shots over 350 yds in a non-controlled environment sh$% does go wrong like in this story of shooting and wounding this buck. I personally would not take the chance and wound an animal and I have a lot more real life experience than the most guys..

I have no problem with 500 plus shots at coyote, praire dogs because a hit that range will knock down and kill the animal

There is also a safety issue. Cannot be sure of you backstop when shooting at game over 500 yds. I have been out hunting during modern firearms too many times when I have personally had guys shooting at over 500 yds at elk and deer and had bullets whizzing by my head because they did not see me.

Can guarantee this year will find at least a dozen dead deer and elk in my area that were were wounded and never found

Again just my opinion   and might be wrong:twocents:

[MichaelJ]

If you have a problem with the shot, thats your problem...  If you're bringing up a safety issue with this shot, then imho you're just looking for stuff to harp on...  I don't believe thats what you're trying to say, but if you think we might have been shooting near another hunting in this situation, then thats rediculous.  Just my opinion though...

Just curious how some people here think 40 yard shots with a long bow is ethical, even with a second follow up shot... I guess it all comes down to who is posting the story...

Michael

[mtndew]

It has nothing to do with who is posting the story. I don't know you from dirt. It has to do with shooting beyond your capabilities. One miss, then two wounding shots before finally getting a kill shot? That is not good form, it is, in my opinion, bad ethic's. You opened yourself up to this scrutiny by bragging about the distance that this "great marksman" shot. And shot. And shot. And shot. BTW, spell check works just fine on this site.

[MichaelJ]

Fair enough...  and yeah being relatively new to the site you wouldn't know what I'm talking about... 

BTW if you'd like to give me a lesson on grammer I'm done with classes at 330 on tuesday/thursdays and by 230 on MWF...  Pm me if you'd like my phone number...

Michael