Idaho Buck...

[MichaelJ]

I'll say one last thing then quit posting in my own thread and I'll let ya'll hash out the details of how else we were unethical...

If you have a problem with the shot, then voice you're opinion...  The fact that people bring up how we could've possibly been shooting at another hunter in this situation, and to also bring up spell check for my posts shows me that people here are too damn nitpicky (thats a personal first for me and I've been on this site since its inception)...  I have no problem with the hunt, I've never lost a big game animal on any persons hunt that I've been involved with... There are people here that have hunted with me and can vouch for my ethics, but I'd rather they leave you with your opinion of me...  

Enjoy the pics/story I posted if you can...

Michael

PS:  I hope everybody out there only carries one bullet, cause if you need a second one you're an unethical hunter!!!

[hornhunter]

mtn dew and ribka

Wow you guys are lame!

This guy tells a story about a awesome hunting trip he just got back from and you ruin it with this drama?  MJ, Im quite sure has thick skin and really doesnt give a rats ass about your opinion.  There are plenty of threads on this forum that already exist talking about long range shots.  Go open one of those threads up and wine about it there.  Meanwhile the buck is dead the story is awesome and you two need to STFU!  

[bearpaw]

Michael....I enjoyed your story. I think too many guys on this forum are just looking for things to gripe about. Doesn't matter what you post I guarantee someone will find fault.

It sounds like your buddy is more qualified for taking the shot he took than many others are qualified to take 100 yard shots. I commend you guys for following through and finishing the job. Some of the guys missing or wounding multiple times at 100 or 200 yards just walk away.

I think it takes special skill to make long range shots and it also takes special skill to get in close. With that said, I find it disappointing that some will ridicule the other for not doing it their way. I have on occasion misssed bucks at less than 100 yards for no other reason than being over confident and not feeling challenged. On other occasions I have dropped animals in excess of 500 yds with one shot. If someone wants to ridicule me now , well go ahead, it will take the heat off of Michael....  

[bowhunterforever]

Thats some awsome looking country. Nice buck,Congrats to the hunter!

[MichaelJ]

Thanks for the compliments guys...  We'll be sure to edit out the play by play action on my elk hunt if it gets posted at all... rather keep it to myself and let my friends and family enjoy it then let a couple of *censored*es behind a keyboard tell me how I didn't impress them because I didn't sneak close enough or how I did it all wrong... Or how I posted the hunt on here trying to brag and build my self esteem instead of realizing that I posted it here for the enjoyment of everybody...

For crying out loud I went over EVERY post of mine and had maybe 5 mis-spelled words and you guys are bitching about spell check?  Give me a friggen break...

Somebody mentioned it wasn't a good shot because we were humping up/down hills all day.... you gotta be kidding me right?  This wasn't a run to the top of the ridge and shoot as the buck is running away... we accidently busted some does on our stalk and I told Al to get ready for the buck to stand up somewhere which he did... 
BTW the reason he shot bad on the first two, is because he'd already clicked up his elevation for 300 yard zero from the first stalk on the buck and doubled the damn mil adjustment thus making the first two shots on the wrong cross hairs...  Add a little bit of excitement and you get a miss, but hey it happens right?  That was the first two shots... Oh ya, the shot at 648 yards?  Through the top of the left lung (after he realized his mistake on the mils from the first two shots), the buck was dead on his feet, but when he walked out at 415 yards he finished him off...  Cause we wanted a quick humane kill.  Hell we even packed out rib/neck meat from all the way down there... if you'd like I got GPS coordinates you can check it out...  

Ribka:  "I guess the reason I posted is because I see a lot of guys bragging on here taking 500 yds plus shots on elk, deer. 75 yds plus archery shots, 200 yds shots with ml's ( open sights) etc."

If you so feel the need to educate everybody on the forum about how they shouldn't take long range shots, go start you're own damn thread...

Ribka: "When I find a lot of gut and leg shot dead animals after hunting season I guess it will not up set me anymore"

How the hell do you know these dead deer were shot at over a certain range?? Were you there, did you shoot the deer from 50 yards with a paintball gun so you could find it later and say "Ha!  Told you people shouldn't be shooting at deer from over 300 yards!"  Give me a break.... could've easily been some slob hunter who didn't bother to sight his gun in before the season, or the buck fever sick kid who was out there with his dads 30-30 and didn't want to go look for the buck again...

Ribka: "80% of the deer/elk/bear/cariboo I have shot have been with a bow. All shots under 30 yds. The majority under 20 yds. The ml buck I shot this year was less than 30 yds.
Maybe that is why I do not understand the 500-800 yds shots at game."

--Nobody cares what you do or don't understand.  I haven't seen a post from you about any of your hunts for us to enjoy, I haven't seen you give advice to anybody on any gear choices or hunting areas...  Start contributing to the site instead of making an ass of yourself.  I only posted the hunt for people to enjoy...

Ribka: "If a guy writes on this forum he shot an elk deer at 600 yds I am not impressed. If he wrote that he stalked and shot at less than 50 yds then am impressed."

Once again, nobody cares what you think, and I'm sure nobody posts a story on here to impress you...

Ribka:  "I have been out hunting during modern firearms too many times when I have personally had guys shooting at over 500 yds at elk and deer and had bullets whizzing by my head because they did not see me."

You've got to be kidding right?  This can happen JUST as easily at 100 yards as it can at 500 yards...  Thats a BS argument and you know it... 

I've felt I've been more than reasonable and have agreed that everybody has a right to their opinion and to voice it on a public forum...  I said I agreed I opened myself up to the scrutiny by posting the story, I figured it was worth it for the enjoyment of some on this site...  This site is getting almost as bad as MM and will continue to get worse imho.  I'll say this is the first time I've let something somebody has said on this site get to me... First time I've really lost my temper on here, kinda pathetic of myself imho.

Oh well I had a helluva hunt, made some great memories, got to help out a good friend fulfill his idea of a dreamhunt, and get to head back and try to knock down a bull this weekend...  Best of luck to everybody else...

Michael

[bearpaw]

michael don't let it get to you.....just ignore the gripers....sometimes I let it rile me up too and i shouldn't...

I should be in bed but thought i would see what has been happening on here the last few days. First thing I noticed was a bunch of griping....I for one think you should feel free to tell your elk story the way it happens and just ignore the hard core gripes. There are plenty of us who will want to hear the whole story.

You probably have noticed i rarely take time to use spell check myself. I figure it 's a hunting forum not a letter to the president....

Good luck on your elk.....

[SHANE(WA)]

congrats to you Michael  get use to it on here, lotta jealous people, envy maybe I dunno pretty weird tho.
Good luck to you on your elk

[Redmist]

Nice to see you in Idaho Mike.  Love that place.  Nice follow up shots.  Can you post that picture of yourself giving RIBKA a BA at 301 yards?  Must be real frustrating for him not to be able to take a shot over 300 yards.  

[mtndew]

mtn dew and ribka

Wow you guys are lame!

This guy tells a story about a awesome hunting trip he just got back from and you ruin it with this drama?  MJ, Im quite sure has thick skin and really doesnt give a rats ass about your opinion.  There are plenty of threads on this forum that already exist talking about long range shots.  Go open one of those threads up and wine about it there.  Meanwhile the buck is dead the story is awesome and you two need to STFU!  

:cryriver:So we can't voice our opinion? Other than the spellcheck comment (which didn't need to be said, my bad and I apologize for that) there was no name calling (until this post). Just a couple guys calling it like we see it. MichaelJ said himself that he knew he might get reamed for posting the distance of the shots. He did. The ethics involved in long range shooting can be a very touchy subject. Some disagreement on the subject should be expected. You disagree with my personal ethics? Fine. But no, I will not STFU.

[Blacklab]

Love It MichaelJ!!!!

Thanks for sharing 

[ribka]

I like hunt wa site a lot. It is a forum and I think a forum means you can express your opinion. Served 8 years in the military and fought  in 2 wars and have a permant injury because of my service. I think this gives me  and others the right to express our opinions here.

Am not jealous. Have over 100 posts on Hunt WA and this is the first time I offered critism other than griping about Obama, poaching and ATV's in restricted areas.

Check my posts always the first to say nice deer to a guy that posts. I helped 6 guys on this site this year with deer and elk  hunting info in my area. (I took 2 to some of favorite upland areas).  I think it would be great if they shot a bigger buck than I did this year. I could care less how big the rack is on my deer is as long as it is legal. 30 years of hunting in US, Canada, Europe, Russia, Kazakhstan, no place to put all of my racks.

Being a firearms Instructor for 15 years teaching law enforcement  how to shoot and going through the Army's long distance shooting school where the wash-out rate was 60% and shooting competively at long distances in the military ( 1,000 yds with open sights) with some of the best shots in the world  I guess would not prepare  me for a 300 yd shot with a 15 power scope. 

I practice out to 800 yds but would not personally shoot beyong 350yds

An outfitter on here recently posted that he had a client, with unknown shooting ability, shoot a box of shells ( 20 rounds)  at an elk around 500 yds and missed every time. I do not agree with that type of hunting ethic and it is my opinion based many years of some of the best firearms training that shots over 500 yds are not good for most people

[Redmist]

In this country we all have a right to express our opinion regardless of Military or Police service.  But our freedom of speech doesn't give us the right to trigger a riot.  In my opinion, your opinion crossed that line.  Mike's not the one puffing out his chest bragging about taking long shots.  They took a calculated long shot, somebody else took the "Potshot".

[bearpaw]

I think that Michael was just trying to tell a story about a hunt and an experience that they put a lot of effort into, I felt bad for him when I saw guys starting to slam them, sometimes it's easy to let the forum mentality take over and we forget that we are all humans. I know that I would have felt frustrated about some of the comments that I read on this topic. Glad to see that there is support for him to tell his story, I for one look forward to hearing an elk story from him.

Yes, we thankfully still have the right to express ourselves in most any fashion we wish, at least until someone decides that it should be outlawed. 

Go get em Michael.....

[popeshawnpaul]

Nice job Michael.  Good luck on your elk hunt.  If you get too far down in there just take it down to the river and have a boat come pick you up.  There are tons of fishing guides that will do it.  Heck, you could find a guy like Ramslam that lives there and has a boat to come help you pick up your 350"+ bull for a case of beer or soemthing.  Just make sure you don't come down to the river above the slide on the Salmon...  That's a biatch to get up and down...

I helped a kid and his father about 12 years ago bag about a 350 bull in there.  There are a lot of bulls not in the timber and in the thick brush.  Your going to have a good time.

[MichaelJ]

Thanks for the comments guys, I guess the sites getting big enough ya gotta start ignoring the trolls huh?  

I like hunt wa site a lot. It is a forum and I think a forum means you can express your opinion. Served 8 years in the military and fought  in 2 wars and have a permant injury because of my service. I think this gives me  and others the right to express our opinions here.

Am not jealous. Have over 100 posts on Hunt WA and this is the first time I offered critism other than griping about Obama, poaching and ATV's in restricted areas.

Check my posts always the first to say nice deer to a guy that posts. I helped 6 guys on this site this year with deer and elk  hunting info in my area. (I took 2 to some of favorite upland areas).  I think it would be great if they shot a bigger buck than I did this year. I could care less how big the rack is on my deer is as long as it is legal. 30 years of hunting in US, Canada, Europe, Russia, Kazakhstan, no place to put all of my racks.

Being a firearms Instructor for 15 years teaching law enforcement  how to shoot and going through the Army's long distance shooting school where the wash-out rate was 60% and shooting competively at long distances in the military ( 1,000 yds with open sights) with some of the best shots in the world  I guess would not prepare  me for a 300 yd shot with a 15 power scope.  

I practice out to 800 yds but would not personally shoot beyong 350yds

And I'm the one trying to brag about long shots??  I thank you for your service to my country and you get my automatic respect for that...  But once again, whos the person trying to puff their chest out over the internet??

Pope, Thanks man!  I'm going to be doing just that this week... gonna try to get some phone numbers of possibilities cause it's quite likely I'll be down in another hell hole.  I've been scouting quite a bit and have the most confidence in this hunt compared to any other I've been on.  But its still hunting! I'll keep ya'll updated when I can.

Once again thanks to the rest of you guys!  Sorry bout losin my temper, like I said thats a first for me and it'll be the last...  No worries my elk hunt will be posted even if I dont score.  Once again I know how much you guys like a good huntin story, I'm just praying I'm lucky enough to get one on the ground!  And some of you maybe gettin a call to come help me pack! haha

Michael