sorry for shoddy pics not my camera, pounded this on sunday the 18th , backpacked in 4 miles,on the 16th and spiked out, sunday we were out of water and decided to move camp at first light when I decided to take a look in canyon bellow where we set up. He came out of the mountain alders running a doe at 448 yards, He stopped just long enough to to see what he had put my 400 yard cross hair on the top of his back, and down when Frasier. He's 26'' and scores 144 not alot of mass and short on the back end, but hey on to Idaho.