stupid!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jdb]

I know that I will get flamed for this but who cares.   I am in favor of shutting down hunting for a week or two during the peak of the rut to allow the deer to breed without being chased around.  To make up for it, extend the season a week or two longer after the closure.  I know that I am in the minority here but I don't like hunting "dumb" deer or elk.  I always wait until late archery, well after the rut is over. 

I agree with a lot of what you have to say. our deer population is in serious trouble in many east side units and rut hunts at this stage of the game are ludicrous

[EastWaViking]

I know that I will get flamed for this but who cares.   I am in favor of shutting down hunting for a week or two during the peak of the rut to allow the deer to breed without being chased around.  To make up for it, extend the season a week or two longer after the closure.  I know that I am in the minority here but I don't like hunting "dumb" deer or elk.  I always wait until late archery, well after the rut is over. 

I agree with a lot of what you have to say. our deer population is in serious trouble in many east side units and rut hunts at this stage of the game are ludicrous

With a bow it isn't.  What's ludicrous is keeping it open after the rut... baiters wipe out the biggest bucks after the rut when they are worn out and looking for food.

[jdb]

are there really that many people baiting?

[EastWaViking]

are there really that many people baiting?

you'd be surprised.  I would make an educated guess that is is 3 out of 5 bow hunters over here. 

[Galpster]

Okay, after reading all the replies again here is what we should have typed up and certified mail to our congressmen and the WDFG;
A-  Increase point restrictions to 2 point or greater (allow does to be taken in doe heavy GMU's)
B-  Reduce peak season a week and extend reg season by a week.
C-  Baiting illegal after rut
D-  Open kittie season year round in all GMU's.

Any thing I missed?

If we don't say anything or attend the meetings nothing will be done.

[Curly]

I like D.  And you should add E - open season on wolves.

[EastWaViking]

Okay, after reading all the replies again here is what we should have typed up and certified mail to our congressmen and the WDFG;
A-  Increase point restrictions to 2 point or greater (allow does to be taken in doe heavy GMU's)
B-  Reduce peak season a week and extend reg season by a week.
C-  Baiting illegal after rut
D-  Open kittie season year round in all GMU's.

Any thing I missed?

If we don't say anything or attend the meetings nothing will be done.

I would vote for baiting illegal period, other than that not bad!

[hunt4]

I would vote for baiting illegal period,

Not sure that solves anything.
I have never baited, but sure thought about it. It is just to tuff to get that 2nd cut back to were i hang my stands.
I think the guys baiting are on private land any ways and how you going to stop them from doing that?
Another arguement for baiting.  It sure would help for shot placement less wounding of game, guy gets his deer goes home done deal. 
Just saying there could be some actual benifit to the herd # from baiting,  you could even agrue there could be less enviromental impact.  The guy that baits kills his deer sooner, so he does less driving, less littering (keystone beer cans)....ect 

[duckmen1]

i like hunt4's point

[EastWaViking]

The guy that baits kills his deer sooner, so he does less driving, less littering (keystone beer cans)....ect 

so, you are saying baiters are also the road hunters and litterers?   

[Galpster]

I like your point on baitiing but I also like the idea of no baiting after the rut. Fair chase and I do not think baiting is fair chase. If I set out a steak and lobster dinner every night and u could smell it and knew nothing was wrong with it you would come and eat everyday. Then I would sit there and wait one day and well u know the rest of the story. Is that fair chase. NO. I watch Sprtsmans channel and turn it every time I see them unting bait stations because it is not hunting. I would even go as far to say that alot of the guided hunts today are not hunting it's pay us to come to our elk or deer farm and pick the one you want. No fair chase. I like hunting, getting out in the woods and getting a kill is a bonus. I do it ethically and I believe I give the animal a fair shot. 

Enough rambling--

[PolarBear]

I like your point on baitiing but I also like the idea of no baiting after the rut. Fair chase and I do not think baiting is fair chase. If I set out a steak and lobster dinner every night and u could smell it and knew nothing was wrong with it you would come and eat everyday. Then I would sit there and wait one day and well u know the rest of the story. Is that fair chase. NO. I watch Sprtsmans channel and turn it every time I see them unting bait stations because it is not hunting. I would even go as far to say that alot of the guided hunts today are not hunting it's pay us to come to our elk or deer farm and pick the one you want. No fair chase. I like hunting, getting out in the woods and getting a kill is a bonus. I do it ethically and I believe I give the animal a fair shot. 

Enough rambling--

[EastWaViking]

  X2

[Axle]

Again - the problem isn't baiting. It is predators. When deer numbers get low, hunters start blaming others over methods and harvest statistics. Get the fawn survival numbers up and we all win! Then nobody is mad about baiting deer or hunting in the rut.

We should work together to keep our options open. I have never baited. I know of nobody who baits. I would defend baiting though. I see no problem with it. It is a good way of getting a deer.

We need baiting for predators too. Predators are why we have less deer. Less deer makes it hard on all of us. Idiots took away baiting for predators. This causes division among us. Divisions among us causes us to have less power as a group.

I could go on but you get the point.

[Galpster]

I agree with baiting for kitties and yotes but not bear or deer and especially not after the rut. It is an important time for them after the rut to get their strength up and baiting them is just not fair chase. I do not see where you can say it is. I think that is the division amongst us hunters is questions of values and morales. I will not hunt an animal by baiting them or behind tall fences.

I think baiting is okay but not after the rut and open kittie season all year.

Anyone?