NO MOTORIZE ACCESS MEANS NO QUADS OR TRUCKS

[georgia redneck]

Actually snowman you are missing the point.  Call your local forest service dist. office.  ATV's are legal on National Forest land.  That means anywhere offroad they want to ride they can, they are LEGAL.  At least on the Naches ranger dist.  They are not legal on system roads on the national forest.  On state land it's a different story.  They are legal on green dot roads only.  Oh and by the way, the forest service thru the National Travel Mgmt. Plan is REQUIRED to open roughly 30% of their road inventory to multiple use which includes ATV's.  Don't misunderstand me, I agree that they should not be where they are not LEGAL, however, ATV's are the largest reacreational vehicle user group in the country and are backed by many huge companies represeting billions of dollars....they are not going to go away....simple as that.

I don't understand you argument for not going into the wilderness...your wife and kid can't walk?  Mine has no problem hiking 3-4 miles into the wilderness to hunt.  If they can't then maybe they should get quads to hunt off of.

As far as singling out ATV's that's your choice, but I see a lot of people doing stupid things that I don't like over here during all of the hunting seasons maybe they should all go somewhere else too? That would be fine with me, I'd have woods to myself... If you really wanted to get away from the ATV's you could...you'd just have to put in a little sweat equity.

I have read quite a few of the posts here and truly i believe it is you who does not get the point I do not  believe he is saying that ATV's should be outlawed just that the riders should simply abide by the law and if they do not they should be dealt with harshly to make an example that this practice will not be tolerated any longer. It is individuals like them that have closed alot of roads and timber hunting opportunities to the law abiding citizens of this state. I understand his frustration and belief that the gamy's do not care when he sends them pictures of and the liscense plate numbers of individuals and they do nothing. I believe most gamy's do care but they are just like the rest of the population there are some who are just too damn lazy to do there job even when they are presented with enough evidence that there work is already done for them. EYES IN THE WOODS will only work if the info is taken seriously. Just my

[clearviewguy]

Hey J, I guess maybe next time when we are hiking past these fools we might slip in the mud and cut there valve stems!!!

[Snowman]

Hey clearview hear ya on that!!! Seems to be we should give into law and rule breakers. Must be nice to have money an go all over hunting!!! To the lawbreakers!!

[Angus]

Hey J, I guess maybe next time when we are hiking past these fools we might slip in the mud and cut there valve stems!!!

I've wanted to more then once, only problem is, I've never seen a quad rider get off his quad to do much more then take a piss.

[brush hunter]

why don't you guys who hate the quads and jeeps so bad go hunt in the wilderness?  Or is that too much effort?  I agree they shouldn't be where they are not supposed to be, but whining about it isn't going to help.  Go hunt in the wilderness where they can't go...simple.

I have and they get up there too  ! and besides, why should we have to kiss their asses? Why can't THEY follow the law? 

[lokidog]

Have to agree with Angus, Snowman, etc.  Norse is way off base.  No legal huunter should have to alter their behavior to accomodate butwipes.

People that don't follow the rules need to be stepped on like the cockroaches they are.  I too have had many occasions on state and private land where I have walked in behind closed and sometimes open gates that had "No Motor Vehicle" signs posted only to find vehicles parked within sight of gobblers I had roosted the night before or ATV's blowing past me while I am hiking my bike up a hill..

[Special T]

I hear your guy's complaints but you all focus on what you can't change! Use the pressure to your advantage.... go into the thick and hunt... that is were the animals are. I love the E side but won't hunt there... I hunt the wetside and see less people stupid or otherwise... I used to love duck hunting public land, now i rarely do for same kinds of reasons.... We all wish we could wave our magic wand  and make it right..... Change the things you can, accept the things you can't and use your brains to figure out the difference!

[brush hunter]

I do hunt the thick, I handgun hunt. But some times I like to go to a non motorized area and do a little rifle hunting. Why can't this be changed, are you saying we should be like the state and say...a lot of people are breaking the law so let's change it to were their not breaking it?

[Special T]

Brush Hunter    "Why can't this be changed, are you saying we should be like the state and say...a lot of people are breaking the law so let's change it to were their not breaking it?"

Not at all! All I am saying is that people either need to do something about it or change their own actions. "Hope" Isn't a plan it's a pipe dream.  Like most people my time in the woods is limited, I'd like to spend every weekend for 6 months in the woods... Because this isn't possible for me I've been looking for more QUALITY hunting experiences.... Private property, the steep and deep, brush etc. I've found that tree stands help me in this area... BTW i have handgun hunted in the battle ground unit an i thought it was awsome for the close in, lot quieter in the deep woods! Stack'em like cord wood!

[Snowman]

I sure as hell ain't altering the way I hunt anymore!! Screw u guys who say I should change my way. I've changed enough sh t!! I bust my ass to find places to hunt an ain't going to have you specialt or anyone else tell me to go more out of my way, to hell with ya guys who think we should more alter are ways!!!! Let's string up the law breakers!! Things can be changed, but why always tell the good guys to change more to the bad guys!! I want to hear some one explain it to me, come on get a clue!!!!!!!!

[Curly]

I agree with you Snowman.  If the area is gated and says "No motorized vehicles" then anyone caught on a motorized vehicle in the area should be strung up.

I hunted the Teanaway area a couple years ago and got a buck a mile or so back behind a gate in an area that had signs saying no motorized vehicles.  We saw trucks, ATV's, and motorcylces driving around on the logging roads in there.  They had been driving around the gate.  At the gate were about a dozen other vehicles where guys were walking in.  Can you believe the balls the law breakers have when there are that many people walking in and they just drive around....

Anyway, when we got back to the truck and were leaving it was nice to see the warden writing a guy up that had driven around the gate.  So the warden over there does write people up for it.

[Snowman]

I believe they do curly. It's irratating, but what's more iratating is the guys here saying we should go more out of are way!! Just one question I got are these idiots the ones going around the gate in their trucks or their atvs, cause I'm just not getting why I and we should be put out by lawbreakers!!!! There is no arguements READ the title of this thread and I can complain here and to the wardens and to fellow hunters who share the same opinion on  sheer true facts!! Free speech!! on the lawbreakers!!

[Mookie]

A friend and I were out and a pickup came blazing by into a non motorized vehicle area, driving right around the gate, I called the police, gave them their plate number, descriptions, and told them they were shooting off the back of their pickup. I was there an hour and no one showed. When we left we decided to take a very large rock and put it in their way on the trail out. Never did hear anything about it.

[gasman]

Ponder this....

It is Legal (at least in the Naches ranger dist) to ride an atv off road in the NF (as long as no permanent damge is done to natural terrain). So if you have a road that is closed to motorised vehicles, and a person is riding off road . Is he breaking any law?

No, he is with in the law.


I know this statement is going to piss some people off.

I do believe ATV's have there place with with some people and places, and would report someone that is breaking the law, as long as there is a law that is being broken. If i am in an area that i am unsure of, i would take down the information and report it, to see if a law has been broken.

More ATV use is to come weather you like it or not, and it is the ass hats that screw it up, and give us "Lawful" users a bad name.

[lazydrifter]

I caught a guy on a quad in a non motorized area.  He told me it was ok.  I said good give me your wild ID # so that I could call it in.  He wouldn't give it to me.  I told him that if I found his quad unattended it would never be ridden off the mountain again.  He asked me if I was threatening him and I said yes I am, call the sheriff.  He rode off.   I hate quads and dirt bikes.  I think it should be illegal to hunt off them.