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Some people are just dumb @sses
« on: November 14, 2009, 11:53:21 AM »
Okay, a friend of mine and his son built a blind on public land. In the blind is a sign tat says if you would like to use this blind, please call and list a name and number. He just wants to know who is using it and wants to make sure that it does not get tore up. Well, I have exclusive permission to use it and hut with him and his son frequently and I always call him the night before to let him know I will be out there. I also helped some with the blind as well and make sure that it stays neat and clean. I also call ahead to find out if anyone else is going to be using the blind so I don't bother them. It sucks to walk into someones setup in the dark. Well, I get out to the blind yesterday and two guys are in the blind. I asked them who they talked to for permission and then they started to smart off. and asked if I built it and I said I had helped then they said we did a great job, but tough *censored* they went going anywhere. So I said that was okay and I understood how the "new age ethical hunter" was and that they did not have to respect anthers work or desire to utilize the hard work they had put into building something and then I backed out and went and sat down on the dike.

A little while later they came out and I apologized for my smart ass comment and we talked for a while and they left. Well, I setup and hunted for a few hours and then decided to call it a day. I got my gear and headed back to the car. When I get to the parking lot, guess what I found? This bozos 12 ga Bennelli Nova sitting in the parking lot!!!!  :o :o  Well, after a good laugh at his expense, I debated on what I wanted to do with it. I could have taken it home and had a nice shotgun or I could do the smart thing and turn it into the sheriffs office and wait for the 90 days to pass on the lost and found. Well, I did the right thing and called the sheriffs office and they sent a deputy out to get the gun. While I was with her, someone called to report the gun missing. I told her that if someone was going to be so irresponsible as to leave their shotgun in a parking lot, then they should not have a gun let alone hunt and she agreed. She told me that she would call me later when she was able to verify that they were in fact the true owners of the gun.

Well, last night the deputy called me back and we had a good laugh. Come to find out, the guy had taken his dads shotgun without him knowing it and his dad was PISSED OFF!!!  >:(  Well, they get to the sheriffs office and identify the gun, but she asked for the original sales receipt and verification of the serial number and they had to go home and dig up the paperwork for the gun before she would give it back to the dad. Well, they finally got back with the info she wanted and they left with the gun, but I don't think I will be seeing him in the blind again for a while!  :chuckle:

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 12:05:49 PM »
I'd have removed the magazine plug first and told the officer you heard them shooting quite a lot.
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 12:06:36 PM »
Well...Personally if some one thinks building a blind on "PUBLIC" property means they get the claim that spot..they are wrong!
If I saw the blind there on public land and a note that wasn't from the WDFW to sign up etc..I'd laugh.
The game warden would more than likely tell you that it is a free for all and first come first serve, no matter who built it.

Leaving your gun in the parking lot is not a responsible thing but, stuff happens!

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 12:30:46 PM »
Yep, I’m not following:

“a friend of mine and his son built a blind on public land”

If the blind is on public land it is first come gets it, no matter who built it.  Why a sign?  What’s up with permission to use it?

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2009, 12:39:09 PM »
Okay, a friend of mine and his son built a blind on public land. In the blind is a sign tat says if you would like to use this blind, please call and list a name and number. He just wants to know who is using it and wants to make sure that it does not get tore up. Well, I have exclusive permission to use it and hut with him and his son frequently and I always call him the night before to let him know I will be out there.

Yea dude, I dunno who you think you are, but I can assure you you don't have "exclusive" rights to anything on public ground.  :rolleyes: Anyway, I commend you for doing the right thing and turning the gun in.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 12:54:13 PM »
I agree with all of you, it is public land and it is first come first serve, but my friend just wanted to know who was using it so it didn't get tore up. It is just a mater of respect to the people who built it. Permission may have been the wrong word to use, but I was brought up to respect other people and what they have built.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 12:59:43 PM »
1.   If I found the blind I might use it
2.   The sign on public property is nothing more than litter, I would dispose of it as such
3.   My name and number is nobody’s business but my own
4.   I don’t need anyone’s permission to hunt public land
5.   You, your friend and his son are all out of line, no disrespect to other people and what they have built intended

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 01:02:52 PM »
you don't have to worry about the hunters that are using it with or without permission its the anti that finds it and destroys it. like said public is public, if anything you guys might be breaking the law to build on public ground might not be legal, without permits. i am not sure but us ally if you build a attached structure you need permits now if it was your law down blind or something then yes it is yours.
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 01:49:21 PM »
I have good ethics and I would not bother to call either. If someone goes through the trouble of building something on property they don't own then they need to accept the true owners of the property can use what they built. If its public land then we all own it. In fact, I would probably be pissed off enough I would throw away the paper with the phone number. We all have trouble finding a decent place to hunt and anyone *censored* enough to expect me to call to use a blind on public land needs a reality check.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2009, 01:59:36 PM »
I could have used a new shotgun.

On the blind. Was he really your friend before you found the blind? I thought you met him by being a nice guy and calling him up asking him to use the blind. That sounds like a testament to your character. Aside from the debate of whether or not it is legal.. Which I don't really care about too much. I'd use it but I wouldn't bother to throw away phone numbers. I'd rather enjoy my time shooting the birds than get upset about it.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2009, 03:06:56 PM »
Good job turning the shotgun in Shadowcat, good example to set, hopefully the kids realize it was you who found it and turned it in...
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2009, 03:13:13 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2009, 10:43:19 PM »
Yes Ray, I did meet him by being respectful and asking to use the blind. Afterward, I still call out of respect and do little things to keep it up and clean when I go out there. As for the sign, it is painted on the inside to prevent people from littering the area. I have hiked trash out of the blind as well as empty shells, feathers and guts. Like I said, I agree with all of you about it being first come, first serve on public land, I was just brought up to be respectful of others work and wanting to keep a clean place that others and myself can use without getting upset about the lack of respect that others show by messing up a blind. I have been in other public blinds that WDFW has put up that others have left trash in, graffiti and have even defecated in.

I think some of you have gotten the wrong idea. The main point of my post was doing the right thing by turning the shotgun in to the sheriffs office and it getting back to the right owner. I could have left it and a felon could have gotten it and the owner would have been screwed if it were ever used in a crime. Granted, a Bennelli Nova would doubtfully be used in a crime, but I'm not willing to take that chance. This area also has a lot of dog walkers and bird watchers and it would not have left a good impression of hunters by being irresponsible and leaving a shotgun behind.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2009, 07:50:30 AM »
Maybe I have gotten the wrong impression but as I read this thread your friend, the builder of the blind, believes that he now owns it and has established a set of rules that others must follow if they wish to use it.   You as a builder helper have “exclusive permission” to use of the blind and feel the need to police others in following the rules of its use.

When you encountered a couple of young hunters using the blind contrary to those rules you confront them.  When they stand up for their rights to legally hunt public property they are “smarting off” and you admonish them on their lack of ethics.  Hunter harassment?  Maybe. 

Later one of the young hunters forgets his dad’s shotgun in the parking lot, possibly because he is distracted and imitated following the encounter with you.   You turn in the gun into authorities and happily gloat about the inconvenience to the owner in its recovery.

I hope that I am wrong in the above but I still don’t think that you fully understand.  The blind is now public property.  The sign offends and angers me as it should offend and anger all users of public land.  If you really want to do the right thing you will remove the sign from the blind.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2009, 08:26:58 AM »
Well, if what you were trying to get across is what you stated in your last post, you should've said that. Personally, when I read someone's post about thinking of taking it home..in response to someone else's gun..it bugs me!
It's just not right. Things happen and as far as you knew it was that kid's gun. You wrote a long paragraph on the issue with the blind, at the blind and with the "KIDS".
I applaud you for doing the right thing and turning it over to authority's. I just didn't understand why this thread was named"Some people are dumb @sses" if your point is you did the right thing maybe you should've named it " Filled my moral duty of the day!"
Glad the owners got their gun back. I also hope when this situation happens again, you remember you are on "PUBLIC" land and had no right in confronting those kids at all.
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2009, 02:51:38 PM »
It's always nice hunting out of a good blind, but if you build one on public land everyone is entitled to reap the rewards of your hard work.  In my younger years I built many good blinds on public land when the hunting was slow.  Unfortuantely it becomes a race to get there, I now try to bring portable blinds or quick set type blinds so, my various spots don't get over hunted.  I usually throw in my aqua pod and a final approach blind in my boat, so I am set for the various spots.
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 03:10:31 PM »
Lol this thread made me laugh...i guess your friend who built that blind doesn't know what the word public means. Here is a definition to the word: not private; open to or concerning the people as a whole.
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 04:36:10 PM »
You were the one out of line.  Washington state law is first come first serve for blinds on public land.  If you need a blind that bad, get a portable and carry it with you.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 05:22:11 PM »
Washington is first come first served...   
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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 06:34:46 PM »
If they left their gun in the parking lot on the ground I'd call that a dumb move. First come, first served to the finder.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 08:29:17 PM »
Yeah..the whole first come first served..with a "found" gun would be all fine and dandy until for some reason the serial number got ran and it was reported stolen. I don't know I firmly believe that if you find something you try your best to get it back to the owner and it will some day come back and benefit you!!

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 09:25:03 PM »
It was a joke. So much for levity.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 09:39:38 PM »
Hey I can laugh at a joke.. :chuckle:

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2009, 09:25:21 AM »
You were the one out of line.  Washington state law is first come first serve for blinds on public land.  If you need a blind that bad, get a portable and carry it with you.

I wouldn't say he was out of line. It doesn't hurt to express the fact that he had built it and put some hard word into it. When I pull up on a pre-built blind somewhere I am respectful to the fact that someone else built it, and if they show up, I basically plan to share it.. if they push hard enough, I may even leave. I realize that the law says first come first serve, but sometimes ethics and the law aren't the same thing.


however, this is ultimately the reason why I am shopping for land. By the time my boy is old enough to go hunting with me there won't be any land worth hunting anymore and he'll have to camp in the blind the night before.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2009, 12:27:43 PM »
I knew a guy that had a nice blind he built that became a popular spot...so he built an even better blind on the other side of the lake, completely wind proof with built in benches, it was so nice that the people that always went to his favorite spot started going there and he was able to go back to the spot he preferred even though the blind wasn't as good...it was his favored location..........   the whole sign thing kinda reminds me of when I pulled up to a lake and saw private property and no tresspassing signs all over the public ground...or on the little islands I like to hunt.... I usually tear them down... its kinda lake saying I've got dibs on this spot forever...bogus... :bdid:     :)

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2009, 01:02:28 PM »
I understand Shadowcat where you're coming from! That is what has us wanting to build blinds, but we don't like the thought of building them on public land. But like I told you first come first serve. So lets get my boat in the water and go build our blind where it is boat access only! Remember how many times we wanted certain blinds elsewhere but got there to late!! Or we can buld some small blinds that they might take rather than that one!! Love ya bro lets go kill some birds!!!!! :IBCOOL: :hunter: And if I was that kids dad I'd kick his ass from here to next week and would never let him use a gun in my house LOL! :twocents:
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2009, 02:44:36 PM »
Some of you just are not connecting the dots here. You are so focused on the word permission. Like I said, it may have been the wrong word to use. The guy who built it knows it is on public land and that it is first come first serve. He also wants to know who is using it and has developed some good contacts to hunt with. For him, it was a good way to develop those contacts because they were doing the same thing he likes to do: DUCK HUNT! Other wise, they would not have been in the blind.

Now, this is where I am going to put my foot down on the subject. I have taken a load of crap from a few of you and you do not know the first thing about me. Yes, I said they were kids, I am in my mid 40's and they are in their mid 20's. That to me is a kid, but still old enough to be responsible enough to know where the hell their gun is and to ASK his dad to use it! If he doesn't have the respect for his dad to ask to use it, then I doubt that is a person you want out in the boonies with a gun because you can't TRUST that person.

That goes to the testament of the attitude they displayed to me, I never swore to or at them and was very polite to them. They smarted off to me and THAT changed the dynamics of the situation. I doubt  that very many of you would have allowed someone to be swearing at you with out you saying something back to them in kind. I would have been very happy to make a new friend and share the blind with someone until they "stand up for themselves", as it was pointed out, by swearing at me. I doubt they could have used the excuse that I "intimidated" them, as it was suggested, and that is why they were upset and left the shotgun in the parking lot. We had talked for almost thirty minutes before they walked back to the parking area, yet another thirty minute walk. We had both apologized to each other for what was said and put it behind us and went on to talking about other duck hunting things. So, so much for what you know. You were not there nor do you have the whole picture.

You can not sit there and tell me for one moment that if you had worked to build something that you would not expect to be able to use it when you went out. I have read a very common thread here. I have seen a lot of "me, me, me" in your replies. Example, "The sign on public property is nothing more than litter, I would dispose of it as such", or "I would probably be pissed off enough I would throw away the paper with the phone number." I think that is what has gone wrong with hunting these days. It isn't much different than the whining the tribes make over hunting and fishing. It is all about them and to hell with what anyone else has done. That attitude does nothing to foster working together or networking for the benefit of our sport. It pits us against one another in a race for "it's either him or me and it isn't going to be me" and that attitude does NOTHING for helping our sport. It drives a wedge between us. I was brought up to be respectful of others, their property and the things they do and say.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2009, 02:47:51 PM »
BTW it is illegal to erect a building (blind) on public land without permission.  The WDFW went around and tore down a few blinds out this way a few years back.

Just a FYI.  Both of you were in the wrong.  You for assuming you have rights over another in a public blind and them for not being ethical hunters.

For me, if someones in "my" spot I move on without confrontation.  It's out of respect for that persons hunt, whether or not I built the blind or not.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2009, 02:48:35 PM »
Some of you just are not connecting the dots here. You are so focused on the word permission. Like I said, it may have been the wrong word to use. The guy who built it knows it is on public land and that it is first come first serve. He also wants to know who is using it and has developed some good contacts to hunt with. For him, it was a good way to develop those contacts because they were doing the same thing he likes to do: DUCK HUNT! Other wise, they would not have been in the blind.

Now, this is where I am going to put my foot down on the subject. I have taken a load of crap from a few of you and you do not know the first thing about me. Yes, I said they were kids, I am in my mid 40's and they are in their mid 20's. That to me is a kid, but still old enough to be responsible enough to know where the hell their gun is and to ASK his dad to use it! If he doesn't have the respect for his dad to ask to use it, then I doubt that is a person you want out in the boonies with a gun because you can't TRUST that person.

That goes to the testament of the attitude they displayed to me, I never swore to or at them and was very polite to them. They smarted off to me and THAT changed the dynamics of the situation. I doubt  that very many of you would have allowed someone to be swearing at you with out you saying something back to them in kind. I would have been very happy to make a new friend and share the blind with someone until they "stand up for themselves", as it was pointed out, by swearing at me. I doubt they could have used the excuse that I "intimidated" them, as it was suggested, and that is why they were upset and left the shotgun in the parking lot. We had talked for almost thirty minutes before they walked back to the parking area, yet another thirty minute walk. We had both apologized to each other for what was said and put it behind us and went on to talking about other duck hunting things. So, so much for what you know. You were not there nor do you have the whole picture.

You can not sit there and tell me for one moment that if you had worked to build something that you would not expect to be able to use it when you went out. I have read a very common thread here. I have seen a lot of "me, me, me" in your replies. Example, "The sign on public property is nothing more than litter, I would dispose of it as such", or "I would probably be pissed off enough I would throw away the paper with the phone number." I think that is what has gone wrong with hunting these days. It isn't much different than the whining the tribes make over hunting and fishing. It is all about them and to hell with what anyone else has done. That attitude does nothing to foster working together or networking for the benefit of our sport. It pits us against one another in a race for "it's either him or me and it isn't going to be me" and that attitude does NOTHING for helping our sport. It drives a wedge between us. I was brought up to be respectful of others, their property and the things they do and say.


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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2009, 02:52:19 PM »
There are other blinds in the area that have been there for a number of years. This one has been there for two years now.

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2009, 04:37:07 PM »
I think everyone pretty much understands what your trying to say...the problem with wanting to know whether or not someone is going to be in "your spot" or "your second spot" for that matter is unlikely to happen, sometimes I don't know which of "my spots" I am going to hunt until I  am on the water and reading the wind...that said, a lot of the spots I hunt are places that everybody who has hunted it has built onto the blind...some not as good as others,,,but everyone claims "there spot" because it has special meaning to them...just like my favorite fishing spot...I cant do much about it if someone else is there...it would be nice to know when someone plans on being there ...but plans change and "the early bird gets the worm" comes to mind.... and I know..I know...they were dumb disrespectful whipper-snappers who proved their stupidity even more later on...the thing is, if two different people call and ask (or whatever) for permission (or ...uh just telling him they planned on using it) what does your buddy tell the second guy that calls...does he say,oh sorry some other guys are gonna use it?  or does he say, well you better get there early to beat the guys who called earlier...then what happens when the latecomers show up? does your buddy call the first guys and tel them that someone else might try to beat them there????  its just overly complicated....to make it less complicated, the sign might better read something like ..."if you would like to get in contact with other hunters planning on using this blind please call or email...etc...    don't get me wrong....I am agreeing with you ...just in a totally unusual way    :)

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Re: Some people are just dumb @sses
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2009, 05:30:00 PM »
Thanks Black Plague. I agree with you 100%. When the guy who built it has someone in there he lets me know because it is my favorite place to hunt. He is very good at letting others know that someone either has contacted him or letting them know that I may stop by just to say hello or to see how the hunting has been. If someone else has contacted him, he is usually out there and meets them to get to know them. He and I just want to be able to meet new people to hunt with that think like we do. He is in his his late 50's and does not get around to well and neither do I so we get along pretty well.

 


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