Just got off the phone. My brother and our buddy got the big zippo for elk. Had to move camp down to the Big Muddy on the 25 rd. opening day/night, he said there is probably 5 ft. of snow up high where we normally camp. It rained every day, temps between 35-40. His pack mildewed due to the moisture. They got into elk, but never saw any branch antlered bulls. But that is hunting in this country.