Margaret/Toutle Bull Tags

[Kowsrule30]

I would only apply for a bull tag in the unit I hunt... If I had less then 3 points I'd apply for a bull and cow tag... I only apply for units that I KNOW WELL.... I can't tell you how many guys I've ran into that apply for tags to areas they don't know or don't scout... Get drawn... Figure it's a gimme to walk out there and shoot a cow or big bull and go home eating a tag because they did not know the area....       

[washelkhntr]

 

[lokidog]

The system has pluses and minuses, I do like the fact that everyone who applies has some chance at drawing a tag.  I lucked out and drew a Margaret archery bull tag with ONE point.  The funny thing was, that year, I was just trying to get another preference point so applied for the hardest one to draw.   

I think one change that would help increase tag opportunities would be to split some areas into smaller ones thus spreading the hunting pressure and allowing for more animals to be taken.   

I am not sure i have a lot of faith in WDFW making any changes that benefit anyone.....

[GoldTip]

Simplest and most effective way to improve draw odds would be to jack up the price of the applications.  Let's face it, that would slow down many of the applicants from applying for multiple tags and would net more money to the F&G  while they earn interest off the money before they send a refund.  This would cut down on the pool of applicants for many of the hunts.  Then people would also only apply for area's that they are familiar with, or that they have the means/time to go scouting it.   Jack the price up to the full cost of the tag and make it cash/money order, no credit cards.  Refund all but 10% if you don't draw.  I know, I know, "your turning it into a rich mans game".   If you can't afford to pay the $110 up front, then you probably can't afford to go on the hunt either.  Apply for as many hunts as you want, but only two hunt "unit" choices.

[haus]

Mommie lifes not fairrr!!!! 

geez, the systems fine, if your an unlucky sob then your an unlucky sob. Your probability of being draw isn't a hidden fact unless the tags completely new, even then you can get a general idea of what the demand might be on a tag if your familiar with the area its for. I'm one of those unlucky sob's, thats why I don't gamble, sooner or later I'll get drawn no worries. Seem to do so-so for the deer draw; elk not a damn thing.

What sux is when you do get drawn then something comes up and you can't go  Just ate a tag for 578 late, was really looking forward to it too.

[Alan K]

What I'd like to see is some new numbers printed in the regs. . . For instance:

How many names are in the hat.  No, not how many applicants like they have, but how many times everyones names are in the hat.  Then with some simple math you could figure out what sort of odds you have based on how many points you have. 

Would also like to see how many of the applicants are first through fourth choices. 

As it is now, it gives you a very rough look at your odds.  It really doesn't show you much.

[fishm@n]

The good news for you Skookum is you're only 28 and should have many years left to keep trying. I'm 20 years older than you and yes get frustrated with not getting drawn but there's not a heck of a lot I can do about it if I want that coveted tag.

Just keep at it or move to the rockies where there are a lot more elk and hunting season goes from Sept to the end of November with your choice of weapons.

[Chewack Slayer]

I'd say Its just luck, This year I was drawn in a group with an average of 2 points for Toutle muzzy bull tags, and my dad was drawn for a Peaches Ridge rifle bull tag with 3 points. But I have been putting in for late rifle Deer tags for 12 years! I have 12 points, but I also put in for very popular big mulie tags. I like the draw system, it's worth the wait when you finally get drawn for a chance at a trophy animal!

[SkookumHntr]

-Even how the system is now the guys at the top of the Pt's list will really start to pull away from the pack and hopefully draw a few of the good tags. In the next 5 years we will douple the times in the hat that it took us 14 years to get so far! Please Draw Gods pick my name next year

[elksnout]

When I posted this I had no intentions to cause such a ruckus for goodness sake. I just was asking how many points members had when they drew these tags. I still have no idea.

[bobcat]

The average points to draw Margaret was 10.39 and Toutle was 7.44

I predict you will draw Toutle next year! No chance in hell on the Margaret though.   

[elksnout]

Well fine then !! That's good to know. Me and the boy were just talking about this while watching Monday night football. Never too early to start planning next fall's hunt.

[fishcrazy]

I had 7 points when I drew Mudflow for ML this year.


I don't care how you change things the odds won't change. No matter how you stack things up when you have 3 thousand people putting in for an area with 5 tags it will take allot of years before all those guys get tags. You can give guys points when they don't  draw or what ever but the odds are still against you.

Maybe the best way to increase odds would be to eliminate the guys who draw for 3 years. Example... I drew a tag this year so for the next 3 years I can't draw an elk tag. WDFW would never do this as they want my money for those 3 years.
I talk to allot of  who can't figure out why they never draw the bull tags. They allways draw the cow tags. If you put in for a cow tag remember the cow tags have better odds and when you burn the points on one it's a double wamy against you.

Kris

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

My bro and i each have 12, i get frustated when i hear people draw big bull tags every couple of years and yet we draw nothing, but it is like the lottery. We are the unlucky ones. Maybe when we finally do get drawn we get drawn more frequent. Hell who knows. I do know i do not want them to change anything.
Look at the premier tags in oregon, if you do not have max points right now you will never get drawn. i saw where someone figured out that it will take 35 years to cycle through those with the most points.
Colorado is the same way, if you put in for 1,2,10, 210 right now you will never draw. When we started puting in for colorado it took 12 points to draw one of those tags, now 18-20. They get even further out of reach every year.
My vote would to keep it like it is. At least you have a chance to draw a tag.

[MADMAX]

I've drawn them both, its just luck.