Margaret/Toutle Bull Tags

[elksnout]

I have eleven points now. What amount of points are guys pulling these tags with ? That would be for modern. You'd think a guy was getting close......

[carpsniperg2]

the draw seem so random at times, i have a friend that has never drawn a tag and been putting in for like 15+ years for sheep goat i thunk he has like 13 for moose and 11 for elk never been drawn, i put in 2 years and draw a pretty good tag so i don't know for sure i like oregons draw system 100 to 1 over wa

[bobcat]

I would think you'd have a good chance at the Toutle, but not Margaret. Toutle odds for 2009 was 1 in 24 while the Margaret was 1 in 197. So for Margaret I don't think any amount of points is going to make a whole lot of difference.

The average points to draw Margaret was 10.39 and Toutle was 7.44. But those numbers are misleading. They are just a reflection of the average number of points of the people applying for those permits, really. You could have 20 points and with only 18 permits available for Margaret, and 3,551 people applying for it, your odds of drawing are still extremely low.

[elksnout]

I'd like to draw while I still have the leg and lung power to hunt it well. Age 50 came and went....And I too like how Oregon handles their draw system. You can pretty much plan on the year you will draw. At least we have.
In 2008 there were 36 permits availble for the Margaret, this year only 18 permits. What gives there too ?

[Crunchy]

If you bow hunt you dont need to draw a tag in Oregon.  THere is some mighty fine elk hunting down there.  Next year will be my third year in a row and worth every penny of the 450 buck for the non-res. This year came face to face with the biggest bull I had ever seen (in person). 

[SilkWWU]

My group and I drew Toutle this year with a group average of 2.  It's like any draw system.  It's luck.

[SkookumHntr]

-Bottom line Washington draw system Sucks! 14Pt's and cant draw but a guy with 3 does Theres so many people with 5 or less Pt's that the guys with 15 next year still probably wont draw because theres to many damn people in the hat! There needs to be a % of tags to guys with 15Pt's!

[Crunchy]

I agree, maybe those with 10 or more get this points more than squared to increase the odds even better.

[bobcat]

I like our draw system and I know a lot of other people that do as well. It's as fair, or more fair, than the sytems some other states have. The point system wasn't meant to guarantee that everybody will draw a permit. There are just too many people applying for too few permits. There is no point system that will allow everybody to draw limited numbers of permits. The only thing that will help draw odds is to decrease the number of people applyling or to increase the number of permits. The only real solution I see to do that would be to eliminate general seasons and most people don't want that. All I can say is if you have lots of points and still aren't being drawn for anything, apply for permits that aren't so popular.

[SkookumHntr]

I like our draw system and I know a lot of other people that do as well. It's as fair, or more fair, than the sytems some other states have. The point system wasn't meant to guarantee that everybody will draw a permit. There are just too many people applying for too few permits. There is no point system that will allow everybody to draw limited numbers of permits. The only thing that will help draw odds is to decrease the number of people applyling or to increase the number of permits. The only real solution I see to do that would be to eliminate general seasons and most people don't want that. All I can say is if you have lots of points and still aren't being drawn for anything, apply for permits that aren't so popular.

-There are lots of guys like this out there who im sure put in for cow tags and still want a decent chance at a big bull tag, well it shouldnt work like that and if it was like oregon's system I would have had my tag 2 years ago. You put in the time you need to be rewarded for it!

[Alan K]

I like our draw system and I know a lot of other people that do as well. It's as fair, or more fair, than the sytems some other states have. The point system wasn't meant to guarantee that everybody will draw a permit. There are just too many people applying for too few permits. There is no point system that will allow everybody to draw limited numbers of permits. The only thing that will help draw odds is to decrease the number of people applyling or to increase the number of permits. The only real solution I see to do that would be to eliminate general seasons and most people don't want that. All I can say is if you have lots of points and still aren't being drawn for anything, apply for permits that aren't so popular.

Pretty much sums it up.  I've got double digit points for everything except deer. It doesn't bother me that I haven't been drawn.  I know I've got a better chance than those with fewer points, and it's nice to know that I'll have a chance to draw again before waiting another 15 years once I do get drawn.  

Colorado, like other states I'm sure, is max points and it sucks.  The ammount of points needed increases every year because like bobcat said, there are too many people putting in for too few permits. It virtually guarentees you will only ever draw once in your life for a premier tag. I much prefer to have a chance at least, even if it is slim to none.

[Alan K]

Limiting choices would help quite a bit in my opinion, make people choose ONE tag to put in for.  This will help spread people out over different hunts.  All the different rifle rut hunts this year I'm sure helped to spread the applications around too.  It's a step in the right direction while preserving the chance to get drawn with any amount of points.

[littlebuf]

-Bottom line Washington draw system Sucks! 14Pt's and cant draw but a guy with 3 does Theres so many people with 5 or less Pt's that the guys with 15 next year still probably wont draw because theres to many damn people in the hat! There needs to be a % of tags to guys with 15Pt's!

this is actally why our system is good, everybody gets a chance. ive drawn nothing ever, but i have a chance every year. not like some states where theres years you flat know you dont have a chance to draw. by the way this has been beaten to death on here

[littlebuf]

-There are lots of guys like this out there who im sure put in for cow tags and still want a decent chance at a big bull tag, well it shouldnt work like that and if it was like oregon's system I would have had my tag 2 years ago. You put in the time you need to be rewarded for it!

this is pretty silly too. you need to be rewarded for what? paying 5 bucks?

[SkookumHntr]

-Theres lots of views on this topic, Ive been applying for Bull permits since I was 9 and now I'm 28 and never have drawn! Something is F'd up with that! This next year something is suppost to change so hopefully it benefits the guys like me that have applied the longest! We will see