Margaret/Toutle Bull Tags

[huntnphool]

I like our draw system and I know a lot of other people that do as well. It's as fair, or more fair, than the sytems some other states have. The point system wasn't meant to guarantee that everybody will draw a permit. There are just too many people applying for too few permits.

 

[SkookumHntr]

-There are lots of guys like this out there who im sure put in for cow tags and still want a decent chance at a big bull tag, well it shouldnt work like that and if it was like oregon's system I would have had my tag 2 years ago. You put in the time you need to be rewarded for it!

this is pretty silly too. you need to be rewarded for what? paying 5 bucks?

-Applying for 19 years and not drawing is what im talking about!

[bobcat]

-Theres lots of views on this topic, Ive been applying for Bull permits since I was 9 and now I'm 28 and never have drawn! Something is F'd up with that! This next year something is suppost to change so hopefully it benefits the guys like me that have applied the longest! We will see

Tell me what permits you've been applying for and I'll tell you why you haven't been drawn.

[littlebuf]

i guess I'm still not seeing what your owed? so if Ive been applying for 20 years should i get a tag before you, and if theres a bunch of guys that have been applying for that long you'd still never draw with your logic? or how about 19 1/2 years. i know a guy that's bought a lottery ticket every week for 30 years. is he owed millions of dollars? its called a draw, maybe you should go get a rabbits foot or something  

[bobcat]

I wouldn't mind if they limited choices to 2 hunts, or even just 1. As Skookumhunter said, something is supposed to change next year so maybe that will be one of those things. But overall, I think Washington's draw system is fine.

[SkookumHntr]

-With how the system is now the lower points guys or everybody for that matter has a chance at the best tags but chances are you still will never draw the tag, With a percentage of tags to the guys at the top at least you know you will for sure draw a tag in your lifetime. But again im sure everybody opposed doesnt have 14pts, but even if it was 50% of tags everybody would still have a chance! At least change something cause what we have now sucks

[littlebuf]

you could always just not apply if you hate it so much, that way at least my odds are better

[SkookumHntr]

There you go guy you figured it out

[littlebuf]

so I'm a moron. ok well your the one who thinks your whiny little ass is owed a bull tag because you have put in all the time and posses all the skill to pay FIVE BUCKS. wow you are a skillful hunter who obviously deserves it much more than anyone else. man could you show me how to hand five dollars to a guy behind a counter so then i will be owed a bull permit also? but I'm the moron right

[SkookumHntr]

-Ya I'm not going to argue on this your not getting my view on the system That I would like to see but anyway we will see in April the changes that are made, agreeing with bobcat I would like to see 2 choices or even 1 choice implamented, that would up the odds bigtime I would think! again we will see!

[littlebuf]

yeah fish and game have a long and wonderful history of making things "better" for us hunters. look how much better cougar season is. i cant wait for them to clear up the draw system. i think now would be the time for the  sign

[SkookumHntr]

-I never said that they were going to fix it, I just said they were going to do something! Hopefully make it better, whatever they do some people will like it, some wont!

[Kowsrule30]

I got a cow tag my first time putting in 7 years ago... Got another the next year... Wanted a big bull tag... Got it last year with 4 points.... This is a ML tag...  Have never been drawn for deer... But me and 6000 some odd people put in for it too....    Go figure.... 

[bobcat]

agreeing with bobcat I would like to see 2 choices or even 1 choice implamented, that would up the odds bigtime I would think! again we will see!

I'm not sure how it would affect odds of drawing. Some hunts could become easier to draw, and others more difficult. Overall the odds would not change. At least in my mind I don't see how the overall odds would change, when you have the same number of applicants and the same number of permits. But yes, some of the more popular buck and bull permits should be easier to draw if a person could only have 1 or 2 choices instead of 4. Myself, for the elk permits, I would no longer apply for bull permits. As it is now, I will apply for a couple of cow permits for my 3rd and 4th choices. For my 1st and 2nd choices I'll put in for a couple of the best bull permits there are, not at all expecting to draw, but a guy might as well put down 4 choices. If they were to change to having only 1 or 2 choices, I would then only apply for cow permits. So I could see how odds for drawing the bull permits might improve, if other people more interested in elk meat than antlers did the same thing as me, and quit applying for the bull permits.

[washelkhntr]

Well put Bobcat.