Shorter Archery Season Next Year ?????

[joebear]

This thred is getting beat to death!!!!!!!!

[bowhuntin]

I am talking opportunity in general, Bobcat. General or Special Permit doesn't matter. The next two seasons in archery are being changed for elk as well. The season starts even earlier and ends earlier. They are pushing the season farther away from the rut than it already is. The last week of the season for archery is usually the best, but it still could be better. The better hunting is most likely going to be in Wilderness GMUs anyways where there is less pressure and tends to be their summer range. They open up a select few units and crowd everyone in. Not exactly what I would call a better season by overcrowding units.

[bobcat]

Maybe you just need a better spot for elk bobcat? cant find any? Maybe you dont hear them bugling cause there are none there?

You could be right. Too bad the best units are only open for archery and not muzzleloader. The one good unit they had for early muzzleloader in 2008, was changed to a late season unit this year.  

But still, hunting for a bull elk right after the rut is over is not easy.

[mossback91]

Hunting is never easy

Thats why it is fun!

[rasbo]

If I could still hunt archery I wouldnt bitch at all about the season!

[bowhuntin]

And you think the archery season will be easier? Good luck, but you are wrong if you think that.

[bobcat]

I am talking opportunity in general, Bobcat. General or Special Permit doesn't matter. The next two seasons in archery are being changed for elk as well. The season starts even earlier and ends earlier. They are pushing the season farther away from the rut than it already is.

I don't see how the 1 rifle permit per unit during the rut is much of an opportunity when the odds of drawing are about 1 in 1000. So, I can plan on going on that hunt one year out of every 1000 years. Sounds like a great opportunity!   

Archers have the best units to hunt for two weeks in September while the elk are rutting.

You say they're changing the early archery season the next two years? No. It opened on Tuesday, September 8th in 2009. Next year will be Tuesday, September 7th. The following year, 2011 will be Tuesday, September 6th. So do you see a common theme? It is set to open on the Tuesday following Labor Day weekend. The seasons are staying the same, the calendar is just changing as it does by one day yearly.

[jdb]

This thred is getting beat to death!!!!!!!!

amen brother!

[mossback91]

This thred is getting beat to death!!!!!!!!

amen brother!

Dont look at it if it bothers you that much!! 

[bobcat]

Yeah, or join in and help beat it to death even more! It's hard to argue with myself.  

[ing]

Sounds good to me. I wouldnt mind having another weekend for muzzle season.

[bobcat]

Huh   Who said anything about another weekend for muzzleloader season?

[bowhuntin]

I am talking opportunity in general, Bobcat. General or Special Permit doesn't matter. The next two seasons in archery are being changed for elk as well. The season starts even earlier and ends earlier. They are pushing the season farther away from the rut than it already is.

I don't see how the 1 rifle permit per unit during the rut is much of an opportunity when the odds of drawing are about 1 in 1000. So, I can plan on going on that hunt one year out of every 1000 years. Sounds like a great opportunity!   

Archers have the best units to hunt for two weeks in September while the elk are rutting.

You say they're changing the early archery season the next two years? No. It opened on Tuesday, September 8th in 2009. Next year will be Tuesday, September 7th. The following year, 2011 will be Tuesday, September 6th. So do you see a common theme? It is set to open on the Tuesday following Labor Day weekend. The seasons are staying the same, the calendar is just changing as it does by one day yearly.

Damn straight that is a great opportunity. The only person to be able to hunt in a specific unit for a week straight in the peak of the rut. That is a dream hunt to most and is popular for a reason in the draw odds. If you don't like it that is your problem. Opportunity exists for all. Everyone has free will, so exercise it. If you don't like the opportunity for one weapon choice, then you have the choice to choose a different one. Pretty simple. In the past they have been starting the season on the 8th and ending it on the 21st. The later into September the better the rut gets. Starting the season earlier means warmer weather and less opportunity in what has been the better part of the season in the past. I am done with this thread. Good luck hunting with a bow in the future.

[bobcat]

Sure they're good permits and I didn't say I didn't like it, but a guy has a much better chance of drawing a moose permit than one of those early rifle elk hunts. If it was such a great opportunity you'd have all the archery guys buying rifle tags instead so they could apply for those rifle permits. One thing I do know is Oregon's archery elk season starts in late August, and they sure seem to do pretty well down there with that season, even though it's hot and supposedly too early because it's before the rut. Thanks for the good luck wishes. I sure am looking forward to hunting those bugling bulls in September! 

[RUTNBULL1]

Sure they're good permits and I didn't say I didn't like it, but a guy has a much better chance of drawing a moose permit than one of those early rifle elk hunts. If it was such a great opportunity you'd have all the archery guys buying rifle tags instead so they could apply for those rifle permits. One thing I do know is Oregon's archery elk season starts in late August, and they sure seem to do pretty well down there with that season, even though it's hot and supposedly too early because it's before the rut. Thanks for the good luck wishes. I sure am looking forward to hunting those bugling bulls in September! 

One thing I know well is hunting in Oregon as well. Yes, that season does start the last weekend of August, and you can ask all the archery hunters about the season, and I bet 90% of them will tell you that the season is slow and hot and not very productive until the later part of their season which usually means the 15th/18th of Sept. to the last day some where around the 26th/28th respectively depending upon the year. And these dates are the begining of the main rut which most years run into the 2nd week of October.  I don't know how many years most of the guys have been archery hunting upon this site, but our WA. season if you can remember used to start at the first of October, and the bulls were going crazy, then they moved it to the first of Sept. for many years and it was usually the second week before we used to hear much talking from the bulls. And the last four years they final started the season at point where we would finally start having some what of a season within the rut. And the last two years it seems that the elk haven't been as active at all until the last few days of general archery season. To much general activity within our public lands / Nat. Forest areas have been a greater factor upon the rutting activity. We have hikers, berry pickers, campers, bicyclists, mushroom pickers, etc all useing these areas at the same time which puts greater pressure upon the animals. Which all these users remember have the same right as we hunters have in the useage of these areas. That being said the over usage of calls, new technology from the internet to videos, and how to clinics and calling seminars, even down to our favorite magazines, aid in the hunting number upserge of archery hunters. Which in the end will make these bulls reluctant to be very vocal. I myself will still continue my archery quests, you just need to hike back that much farther and learn how elk live and react to what you have learned from these animals. It has been proven that some of the largest bulls have been taken during the prerut time period, and coming in silent, they are still looking for cows and are more willing to come into calls to gather another cow. We all like that screeming stage and action of the main rut, but those herd bulls are rarely taken during this time of the rut even though it is the most exciting to us. And as far as deer the area I hunt normally for late general archery the bucks are at their last stage of the rut if not for the most part finished with the rut, but When I have drawn the Eniat tag the bucks seem to always be in the rut at the same time. I think it all depends on the area and the subspecies of the deer/  and normal time of the doe's esterus cycles, they may be finished in the south but going strong in the north part of the state. I GUESS IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR SEASON DATES AND FEEL ANOTHER WEAPON METHOD HAS THAT MUCH BETTER OF A SEASON,DON'T WHINE JUST TRY THE OTHER WEAPON METHOD YOU FEEL IS GETTING THE BETTER SEASON!