OUT OF CONTROL WOLVES Pack IN WA! 12/06/09

[mountainman1]

Hello Special T, What do you know about the wolf pack that was up along the east  side of Ross Lake? Five or six years ago I heard the story of a pack their but I never confirmed it.. Did someone need the Chronicle number or web site, here it is simple.. http://www.omakchronicle.com/forms/form.aspx?id=OMKContactUs

[Special T]

Would be a great place to hide a pack, or 2. I've seen Wolves near Sedro Woolley chasing the nooksack herd of elk. No wonder they had a hell of a time for 20 years trying to rebuild the herd. I thought it was because of all the bears and cougars, guess I was wrong. Damn! 

[wolfbait]

yer kidding right? not in the last 70 years? according to s,fitkin 08 was the very first wolf pack in 70 years!!!!!!!!

[Jerome]

Would be a great place to hide a pack, or 2. I've seen Wolves near Sedro Woolley chasing the nooksack herd of elk. No wonder they had a hell of a time for 20 years trying to rebuild the herd. I thought it was because of all the bears and cougars, guess I was wrong. Damn! 

Where have you seen wolves chasing the herd?

[Special T]

In the woods Duh!  Near N Fruit dale...

[mad-bomber]

i dont think that was a kill site. i wish you guys could have seen my pics from avery ID. last spring we rode 19 mile upriver from avery on wolf tracks the snow was covered with hair,blood,heads,legs ect. we saw something like 17 dead elk ripped to shreds some mule deer and whitetails. it was horrible!! we didnt see a single animal other that a moose way high up in 7' of snow. we snowmobile up there in the spring to look for sheds and watch el but didnt see a thing but death! and wolf tracks. those *censored* animals sat on the river and waited for the deer and el to come down drainages and killed them! there was old kills that had alot of meat left. so dont believe them when they say wolves dont waste game BS!!!! why the hell would a wolf go eat some nast 3 week old animal when they can just kill another? im going up again in late feb to see what it looks like. we need to get ris of these things fast!! worthless animals!! they do NO good for anything they have no reason to be in our woods! 

[Galpster]

After reading this very long chain I have a single question.

We know they are their so what do we do about it?

I am all for SSS but that can get us in trouble and in the news and the anti hunter crowd will win with that bad publicity. So what is the answer?

First I think we need some hard evedince like trail cam pics.

Second we need to show the fresh kills and the effects of these herds. If they are killing then there is going to be evidence of that.

Third let us come together and come up with some real solutions to the wolf problem and then we can go forward and do our part to save our hunting grounds for our future generations.

just my thoughts after reading they are here, no they are not, yes they are, okay but they blah blah blah. What are we going to do?

[mountainman1]

Some of us need to listen to our Elders a little better. Bearpaw has it right on. You need to write your game commission, e-mail, call go to some of the meetings around the state, become more studied/diversed about the wolves!
  You need to look at the Washington Wolf Plan, and the wolf plans of other state to see if they are working. This state, Washington, needs a plan that includes a plan to control the wolves. I am not hearing that in the plan, so the more we know the more we can honestly speak of the wolf situation. We all know the wolves are here, we as hunters need to be heard and have a voice in the control of our game no matter what we are hunting.So, we need to do some more research in the books and on the ground....

[hunt4]

If they are killing

huh? They are killing they are wolves, they are predators.

real solutions to the wolf problem

Again they are predators and should be shot on sight, we are the ultimate predator and i do not like competition just like the wolf does not. They destroy there competition and so should we.
I feel there is no more room for another predator. Plenty now.
Once we start hunting these things the game will change, they are not stupid. They will become educated and will be very hard to manage.
Wolf hunts will not be shooting fish in a barrel and they will do just fine once educated..so i say let the education begin NOW!

[wolfbait]

After reading this very long chain I have a single question.

We know they are their so what do we do about it?

I am all for SSS but that can get us in trouble and in the news and the anti hunter crowd will win with that bad publicity. So what is the answer?

First I think we need some hard evedince like trail cam pics.

Second we need to show the fresh kills and the effects of these herds. If they are killing then there is going to be evidence of that.

Third let us come together and come up with some real solutions to the wolf problem and then we can go forward and do our part to save our hunting grounds for our future generations.

just my thoughts after reading they are here, no they are not, yes they are, okay but they blah blah blah. What are we going to do?

Number one. There are other WAYS to get rid of wolves besides the 3-sss or poisons, they are not pretty but neither is the way that the wolves kill. I think if wdfw does not give Washington a plan that is reasonable, than people will resort to different methods the same as other states have.

Trail cams have been and still are being used in the Methow as proof that we have more wolves than wdfw are admitting to. Trail cam pictures of wolves were shown to wdfw biologist of the Methow before new wolf pack of 08 in 70 years BS. Like the livestock kills, it you don't fined them in a day, how can you tell a pro-wolf biologist that wolves were responsible even if you heard them while they were doing it. Other than saying the @ss was ate out and that was it? So it is not that easy to pin down the wolf and the liars who represent that brought them into this country. The books can be cooked just as s.fitkin is doing with the deer count. Before the first introduction of the Canadian wolves, there was a plea for everyone to oppose the Canadian wolf introduction, not enough people came forward. It seems that now a days people don't react until it is in their own backyards, and that is where we are today.

In the end, if wdfw don't manage the wolves, then they will be managed by the people.