OUT OF CONTROL WOLVES Pack IN WA! 12/06/09

[mulehunter]

I just think everybody who reads a new post of yours about wolves just begins to roll their eyes and are stirring the pot as they get enjoyment outta how fired up you get!  I know I do! You've restated your opinions on this argument God knows how many times...  Just post your signature on a wolf thread and we should be able to guess what you would say...

Michael

Michael,  Yea I know how you feel, I am not threw a Wolf thread to cause a problem. I am here to post what I found and some people would like to hear about it. It getting old everytime. I understand and also good to keep history put together and wolf tracker where last place and what next place and how many to keep everyone posted to know where they travel.
I am not asking anyone to cause problem on my thread. I just wanted to enjoy and share neat pics.
Have great Winter hunting!

Mulehunter 

MuleHunter, my post wasn't posted in regards to you.  You actually post pictures and everytime you post its sort of a "current events" type deal with the wolves.  I enjoy your pics don't let me discourage you...

Michael
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Understand and thanks. I really enjoying find them in wood and wanted to help u people and everyone to know where and what they have done. Wish I could keep them away from Ranchers. Very sad about our future hunting. That's part of life.
Enjoy my pics in future.

Mulehunter 

[wolfbait]

don't get the wrong impression mulehunter. Your one of the only guys who consistently posts pictures or actual usefull information about the wolves. Other guys like wolfbait just blow hot steam and never back up anything they say. Keep up the good work Your an asset to this site when it comes to local information

How many wolves do we have in the M. Valley slayer, you work for fitkin, so tell us. Are there just the 6 or 7 wolves in the lookout pack. Is the lookout pack the only pack that you are monitoring?

[mountainman1]

Yes, why cant someone tell me the truth about how many wolves we have in the Methow valley,two years ago the count was 6 in the Lookout Pack and now today I am still hearing only six, now you game department guys work for us so what is the real count? I found two different tracks up the river, so does that mean there is only one. Deer you multiply and wolves you subtract, by game department figures!!!!

[twisp_river_slayer]

as of right now there is 3 adults and four pups in the Lookout Pack. I'm haven't been in the valley since the summer but I'm sure there are more singles and doubles that are not being monitored.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.

Whoa...common sense is barred from any wolf thread.  These threads need more hyteria and panic, not logic. 

[wolfbait]

Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.

Whoa...common sense is barred from any wolf thread.  These threads need more hyteria and panic, not logic. 

You betcha wacoyote, I suppose we can always fall back on your managment plans and the red legged wolves. Did you go to a special school to steer conversations off in a pacified direction. Hide your head under the covers and it will go away syndrome will not work where the wolves are concerned. But you just keep trying.

[saylean]

Wheres my wolf rug?! 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.

Whoa...common sense is barred from any wolf thread.  These threads need more hyteria and panic, not logic. 

You betcha wacoyote, I suppose we can always fall back on your managment plans and the red legged wolves. Did you go to a special school to steer conversations off in a pacified direction. Hide your head under the covers and it will go away syndrome will not work where the wolves are concerned. But you just keep trying.

We can always fall back on your sensationalism and stories without any evidence or backing.  At least we have an understanding.
 I went to school (and worked hard at it) to develop a better understanding of biological functions and concepts related to wildlife and the environment. 
What did you go for?

[MichaelJ]

You guys are amazing! haha

Michael

[mountainman1]

We are not out of control yet in this state. There are some states that are having a whole lot of problems with the wolves. Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming are having their fair share of problems with the wolves killing a lot of wild game and domestic live stock along with a lot of family pets, dogs and cats. I spent 4 or 5 days in Montana this fall, two days in the Bitterroot Valley at Darby, I never found many folks that were happy about the wolf situation there. Thought I would post a pic or two that I took of other pics that you probably won't see to much of on the web......

[mulehunter]

Yes, why cant someone tell me the truth about how many wolves we have in the Methow valley,two years ago the count was 6 in the Lookout Pack and now today I am still hearing only six, now you game department guys work for us so what is the real count? I found two different tracks up the river, so does that mean there is only one. Deer you multiply and wolves you subtract, by game department figures!!!!

Mountainman1, Yes your right, Its not a OUT OF CONTROL, By the way its the First of best picture as EXAMPLE in OUR FUTURE! I know in other states got worst than here. Its good for people to see some interesting picture out there because Most people never know where and never find them and some people never seen this such thing like that.
Thank you for post Picture, GREAT EXAMPLE for us to know soon before getting Worst.

Yes there is two tracks that I found last week about 20 miles apart, I am very CURIOUS about this different tracks. I will wait till I confirmed myself soon!

By the way next time take picture with your hand closer so it can help us understand what possible wolf or cougar or coyote or Big Dogs. Who knows... Gotta try next time!    I do believe you its wolf. I would like to see closer!

Mulehunter  

[mountainman1]

I know about the area they are in, Poorman to Lookout and Smith Canyon, and Booth, if I find anything I will let you guys in on it. and take more pics. Here are some more pic of the wolf kills in or near Darby Mt....................

[bearpaw]

One big thing to help you guys identify the type of kill is that a cougar also eats in through the arm pit and shoulder to get the organs first and a cougar also eats most all of the bones before it is finished with a kill. Wolves often start eating from the a$$ first and often do not finish an animal like a cougar usually does. Wolves also often do not eat many of the bones.

You will see these charcteristics in many of the photos submitted in this thread...

As quickly as wolves have reproduced in the Rocky Mountain states, we are probably only a few years behind them before we see the same problems.

[mulehunter]

I know about the area they are in, Poorman to Lookout and Smith Canyon, and Booth, if I find anything I will let you guys in on it. and take more pics. Here are some more pic of the wolf kills in or near Darby Mt....................

Mountainman1,    I am postive this is 2nd  PACK that WDFW doesnt know... for 3 years, I believe ya! Since last three years I know for sure cuz I were there! Glad more people start to check things out up there!

Mulehunter 

[wolfbait]

The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley