Need Input... setups for Hoyt Alphamax... Arrows/heads etc...

[Hornseeker]

I dont even have the bow yet, but am excited to get it shooting good and get a hunting setup squared away asap...

I've been shooting trad for about 4 years now, before that I was finger shooter with an old compound off an NAP flipper... so honestly...I am clueless about these new release bows and drop aways and such..

I have been buying Axis 400's for the last couple years and have 5 dozen shafts... do you guys know if that will work for me with this 70# alphamax at 27.5 inches? I'm sure messing with head weight I can get them to work huh?

Personally...Id really like to be about 450 grains of arrow weight... is this going to be possible with this shaft? Or will I need stiffer to be able to use a heavier head...

How can you adjust these rests or whatever to compensate for the spine of the arrow not being perfect?


Thanks,

Ernie

[jackelope]

I think 400 spines is what you want to be shooting, no?

if the arrows are camo'd and 29" long, they'll weigh 284 grains bare according to easton's website, add nock, inserts, vanes, wraps, heads, you'll be really close to your 450 grains.

http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/selection

i don't know enough about this stuff to rattle it off the top of my head, but their site is a good resource.
 

[bowhuntin]

You are going to want arrows spined to 340 if you are pulling 70#s. It really depends on the length of the arrow though. 400s would probably work if the bow was only set at 65lbs. What length of arrow will you be shooting? Check out easton's spine chart to check your setup.

I shoot easton axis arrows cut at 29" with 100 grain heads and I am right at 420 grains. You might get closer to 450 with 125 grain head, but Full Metal Jackets are a lot better if you want a heavier shaft. The same setup on my bow with 100 grain tips is well over 450 grains.

As far as rest goes check out the hostage pro made by octane or the spot hogg whammy drop away. The hostage is full containment like a whisker biscuit but it doesn't contact your vanes. I have the whammy on my bow right now. i haven't had any issues with it. It is well made and is always in the up position unlike traditional drop aways. Nice thing about it being in the up position is that the arrow won't pop off the rest if you draw really quick like can happen sometimes with other drop aways.

[JBar]

400's will be fine if your draw length is 27.5, you just don't want your arrow any longer than 28". I don't think you'd make the legal weight at that length but you could drop your bow weight down to 65ish. I agree on the FMJ's my 27" arrow with a wrap and 2" quick spins is right at 425. I would not go with a full capture rest with the alpha max as I've seen they don't tune really easy with them. IMO a trophy taker rest would work well with your set up.

[jackelope]

I am shooting a trophy taker shakey hunter on my AM32 and it is butter...


at 9.8gpi for a st axis RT at 28" is 274 grains, plus say 100 grain head=374 grains then isa there not enough weight in vanes, nock, inserts, wraps etc to make 420 grains?
i'm kinda a noob to all this stuff so i am just asking...
just thinking...Hornseeker is from montana so i don't know if arrow weight is an issue as far as law goes, but my question still stands.

[SpokaneSlayer]

Jackelope - Are you asking if all the add ons like vanes, nocks, inserts, etc. will make 420 grains?  I looked on the Easton site and found that your nock weighs 9 gr and the insert weighs 16 grains.  What kind of vanes are you using?  I believe Blazers are 5 grains each.  That would put you at 414 grains.  I would think adding a wrap would do the trick.

[JBar]

I am shooting a trophy taker shakey hunter on my AM32 and it is butter...


at 9.8gpi for a st axis RT at 28" is 274 grains, plus say 100 grain head=374 grains then isa there not enough weight in vanes, nock, inserts, wraps etc to make 420 grains?
i'm kinda a noob to all this stuff so i am just asking...
just thinking...Hornseeker is from montana so i don't know if arrow weight is an issue as far as law goes, but my question still stands.

Yeah he'll be under that's why I suggested dropping to 65#, I'm just barely over with my FMJ's. It will really all depend on what vanes, wrap or no wrap, 4"  wrap or 7". I'm only assuming he's got the Axis RT, if it's black it won't even come close to 420.

[jackelope]

Jackelope - Are you asking if all the add ons like vanes, nocks, inserts, etc. will make 420 grains?  I looked on the Easton site and found that your nock weighs 9 gr and the insert weighs 16 grains.  What kind of vanes are you using?  I believe Blazers are 5 grains each.  That would put you at 414 grains.  I would think adding a wrap would do the trick.

I know that i am heavy enough, but i am running camo'd 340 st axis, 4 blazer vanes, wraps and 100 grain heads.
I'm also shooting 31.5" at 10.3gpi.

[SpokaneSlayer]

Ah ok, must have misunderstood.  Disregard then.

[colockumelk]

I didn't like the Trophy Taker I had on my Alpha Max.  It just wouldn't tune right.  I tried for 3 months and shot 100-200 arrows a week trying to get it right.  It shot GOOD, but not GREAT. (I kept getting vane clearance issues.)   I went to a whisker bisquit and it tuned slightly BETTER but again not GREAT.  After my Montana Trip I'm going to try out the QAD ultra rest as I've heard great things. 

So my take is the Trophy Taker and the Bisquit will tune GOOD, but not GREAT. 

[jackelope]

i couldn't tell you the difference between good and great but i did have all my tuning done at a pro shop and it tuned fine to them. they didn't mention any troubles..i just said ok thanks very much. it shoots great i know that.

[JBar]

I know what you meen Clockum, before you buy more stuff you may not need try setting your arrow level about 1/8 to 1/4 inch above center of the berger hole instead of even with it. Though this means you'll need to also adjust you nock point up it should give you the clearance your looking for. Had to do this with my Vectrix and it worked great.

[coonhound]

I use the trophy taker on my AM35 and love it, i did have to pull it up a little earlier than I did with my Mathews Outback but now it shoots amazing.  I've got it coming up 2.5" before full draw.

As far as the arrows, I shot the 400's for a few years at 28" and they shot great.  I used 4 Blazers and 100grn heads and couldn't quite hit 420 grns, I just backed it down to 68 lbs and life was good.

Coon

[D-Rock425]

I shoot a alphamax 35.  spot hogg sight, QAD ultra rest

[Hornseeker]

I cant wait to get my hands on this bow... I have been shooting longbows strictly for 4 years and an outdated PSE before that... this is going to be like some futuristic chit for me!! Gonna be fun!

I dont believe MT has an arrow weight minimum... I also dont know how easy the alphamax is to ajdust weight on? Can you guys tell me? My buddy that I'm buying it from just said, "Its 70#"... But shouldn't it be a 60-70 or  a 70-80-???

Like I said, I have a boat load of axis st shafts, camo and black...