Long Draw 31.5" or > .... 2010 Compounds list Updated 2/8/10

[haus]

edit: removed original content. I've been diggin around since I originally made this post and made a list for myself, expanded from original 32" DL minimum to 31.5", figured it might be of use to the rest of the arrow slinging biggin's and knuckle draggers out there. Probably also of use for anyone looking for long ATA bows  

I'll update if anyone knows any bows that I missed, also any info where the blanks are woudl be helpful.

Quite a few bows as you can see, now actually being able to try some of them before you buy.....might need a few plane tickets  

MARTIN Shadowcat
41.5" ATA
7.5" BH
32"? DL
50-70lb DW
4.7 LBs
80% adjustable LO
320-325 IBO
$?
http://www.martinarchery.com/2010web/index.php

APA Black Mamba XL 7.0
37.25" ATA
7" BH
32.5" DL
50-70lb DW
4.3 LB
75% LO
88.81KE
338 IBO
$?
http://www.apaarchery.com/ - Their Mamba 7.5 go's to 31.5" and new '10 Viper XL 31.5"

NBA Cyborg
37.5 ATA
7.5" BH
31.5" DL
50-70lb DW
3.9 LB
65%-80% LO
330 IBO
$?
http://www.newbreedarchery.com/

MAITLAND Zeus*
37.5" ATA
7.125" BH
32" DL
40-70lb DW
? LO
65%-80% LO
318 IBO Measured with Easton bow force mapper chronograph.
$?


BEN PEARSON Advantage
37.5" ATA
7 5/8" BH
31.5" DL
50-70LB DW
4.1LB
55-80% LO
327-318 IBO
$799
http://www.benpearson.com/

MATHEWS Conquest Triumph
39" ATA
7" BH
32" DL
40-70LB DW
4.6LB
65%,80% LO
325  IBO "up to"
$1200
http://mathewsinc.com/


ELITE XLR
37" ATA
8.5" BH
32" DL
50-90lb DW
4.25 LB
312-320 IBO
$?
http://www.elitearchery.com/

HOYT Contender, Contender Elite, Vantage Elite, Vantage Pro, Vantage LTD
4 different limb and cam combo's for the Contender's
2 for the Vantage's, except the Vantage LTD only 1.
Contender's and Vantage's;
38.125" - 41.75" ATA
6.625"-8" BH
31.5-34" DL
30-70 LB DW
4.6-4.8 LB
301-315 IBO
$?
www.hoyt.com
 
Vantage
45" ATA
8" BH
34" DL
30-70LB DW
5.2 LB
271 IBO
$?

MISSION Voyager
34" ATA
7" BH
31.5" DL
40-70lb DW
4.45 LB
323 IBO
$649.00
http://missionarchery.com/


STROTHER Inspire
36.5" ATA
7.375" BH
31.5" DL*
?-70lb DW
? LB
? LO
330-338 IBO
$?
http://www.strotherarchery.com/
*this bow isn't up on their sites yet, haven't found any confirmation of specs


ALPINE Silverado Yukon & Ventura & Ventura Target
36.5" ATA
7.375" BH
32" DL
60-70lb DW
4.3 LB
80% LO
324 IBO
$735.79 for Yukon or Ventura. $756.84 for the Ventura Target
http://www.alpinearchery.com/


BOWTECH 101st Airborne 2008 Model
36.5" ATA
7.25" BH
31.5" DL
50-70lb DW
4.1 LB
89.86 KE
332-340 IBO
$?
http://www.bowtecharchery.com/
*Hey its my list...
 
HOYT Maxxis 35
35" ATA*
8.25" BH
32" DL
40-90lb DW*
4.2 LB*
318 IBO*
$?
*Only confirmed BH and DL with Hoyt, other specs are from the standard Maxxis 35". The longer draw option is obtained via a different limb system, longer, I was told XTS1000 limbs.
www.hoyt.com

BOWTECH Sniper
34.125" ATA
7.75" BH
32" DL
60-70lb DW
75.67 KE
65-80% LO
304-312 IBO
$?


PSE Vendetta XL
35" ATA
7.25" BH
32.5" DL
60-70lb DW
4.1 LBs
75% LO
328-320 IBO
$679.99
http://www.pse-archery.com/


ANDERSON BOW COMPANY Thunderhawk and Crow XL
http://www.andersonbow.com/

DARTON ARCHERY Pro 4000GT
http://www.dartonarchery.com/

LIMBSAVER DZ-36
http://www.limbsaver.com/
 
CARBON TECH Phantom & Pursuit
http://www.carbontecharrows.com/

Quite a few more than I expected!

[let.it.fly]

mission eliminator... 500-600. u can order the 32' cams. got mine at outdoor imporium. awsome bow. im not a 32" but i am every bit of 31 and they said they could order the cams if needed

[Shootmoore]

I am just happy to see someone else built like an orangutan!  31 1/2 here and when looking at bows for sale this year I was noticing that they are all short draws.  Guess I will keep shooting the PSE Fireflight and purchase my new longbow.

Shootmoore

[boneaddict]

I shoot a PSE compound and of course the longbow.  hardest is full length arrows in Trad.  Compound you can shoot an overdraw and still use longer shafts. 

[haus]

mission eliminator... 500-600. u can order the 32' cams. got mine at outdoor imporium. awsome bow. im not a 32" but i am every bit of 31 and they said they could order the cams if needed

interesting, thanks. Wonder if any of the other manufacturers have an option like that on some of their bows.

[haus]

I am just happy to see someone else built like an orangutan!  31 1/2 here and when looking at bows for sale this year I was noticing that they are all short draws.  Guess I will keep shooting the PSE Fireflight and purchase my new longbow.

Shootmoore

least we can pull off the "i'm just a tree" routine if the deer bust us 

[Gringo31]

I have a long draw and shoot a 3 inch loop.  It works for me....

[carpsniperg2]

like said you can always use a bit longer loop my wife used a loop that was 2" for about a year it dose not hurt your accuracy and is a great option to look at

[haus]

I have a long draw and shoot a 3 inch loop.  It works for me....

hrm, glad it works for you, but how the heck do you aim? Set your anchor point? Strings not any longer so all 3" would have to go to your pulling arm, if not then your draw length was too long in the first place, no? I'm newbie, just asking because I see this as being the opposite of what I've been told thus far, but I guess if it works for you then thats all that matters right.  

[haus]

like said you can always use a bit longer loop my wife used a loop that was 2" for about a year it dose not hurt your accuracy and is a great option to look at

as in my previous post I don't understand this equation. What I've experienced thus far is too short of a draw requires that you either move you head forward to anchor or you bend your arm or you use a very unique anchor and aiming point, at which time the loop would serve its purpose equally. I'm new so probably have this way off base, but this certainly would have an impact on my bow selection so I'd like to understand. I've seen much debate about this 'dloop=increased draw length and/or makes up for not enough draw length available' subject and it seems there are varying schools of thought on it.

[Shootmoore]

like said you can always use a bit longer loop my wife used a loop that was 2" for about a year it dose not hurt your accuracy and is a great option to look at

as in my previous post I don't understand this equation. What I've experienced thus far is too short of a draw requires that you either move you head forward to anchor or you bend your arm or you use a very unique anchor and aiming point, at which time the loop would serve its purpose equally. I'm new so probably have this way off base, but this certainly would have an impact on my bow selection so I'd like to understand. I've seen much debate about this 'dloop=increased draw length and/or makes up for not enough draw length available' subject and it seems there are varying schools of thought on it.

They are using the release or possibly the thumb technique as an anchor point instead of a nock position.  I shoot fingers but use my thumb in the same position each time to set my anchor point.  The extended loop is just an extension of the  release.  Although it would feel awkward to me having the nock forward of my face it should not create much of a difference in accuracy if your anchor point is the same each time.

Shootmoore

[carpsniperg2]

like you said haus you are a newbie 4 sure. i shoot bows that have 25" draws and bows that have 33" draws the point is if you can shoot it it will work. the anchor point is does not matter as long as you use the same one for every shot i shoot selfbows longbows recurves hybreds "oneida" and compounds i now own 14 bows and have never had a problem i also use a d loop on a recurve and a release does that blow your mind? lol the point is simple the string is just a bit farther away from the eye so usally you just have to shoot a bit bigger peep for good sight picture and yes you can ben your arm more or less as well the trick to archery is consitancy and as long as you can reapeat how you shoot each time then you should shoot well.

and like shootmoore said i shoot back tension release aids/ thumb relase t handles/ trigger style/ and fingers as well.

[haus]

They are using the release or possibly the thumb technique as an anchor point instead of a nock position.  I shoot fingers but use my thumb in the same position each time to set my anchor point.  The extended loop is just an extension of the  release.  Although it would feel awkward to me having the nock forward of my face it should not create much of a difference in accuracy if your anchor point is the same each time.

Shootmoore

k wew wasn't off base, was gonna club a certain someone for feeling me full of nonsense if I were So it's not unique then, I've only been shown and seen setting anchor by utilizing the string or something of that manner so long as your eyes are close to the peep. Wouldn't having your eyes set back from the peep have its drawbacks much like iron sites on a rifle?

[carpsniperg2]

i have not had that problem as far as far as having your eye farther away. i almost think it helps makes the pins seem smaller because they are farther away and my sight housing usually line up with my peep sight inner ring so good reference point as well

[Shootmoore]

As Carp said consistency with archery is the key.  An exaggerated example would be instinctive shooting and drawing your anchorpoint back to your right nipple.  As long as you shot it the same way every time and your anchor point was the same everytime you could learn with repetition to shoot accurately.  Why we dont shoot that way is keeping everything in line from target to eye is easier for the brain to compute.

Shootmoore

[haus]

the string is just a bit farther away from the eye so usally you just have to shoot a bit bigger peep

....and it makes sense to me now because of this, which is what I was looking for.

As for the rest of your post; I said whatever works for you is what matters in my first response did I not? At 6'7" you don't think I don't have an understanding of this? lol, it is the way of life when your my height for just about anything, including archery; it sux but is what it is, less I start choppin' stuff off  

I have a 30" Reflex Grizzly at the moment, I make it work, first bow, good buy, cheap full setup, no point to go all in when your testing the waters, wanting to see what you like/dislike. It's not ideal due to the draw and I have to compensate for it and that compensation can increase the probabilities of throwing off my shot much more than if I were using a 32" draw, regardless of whether I shoot 10,000 arrows through the thing don't matter, thats just plain physics. If you think that doesn't apply to you then your just crazy I don't care how much crap you've slung  

[haus]

As Carp said consistency with archery is the key.  An exaggerated example would be instinctive shooting and drawing your anchorpoint back to your right nipple.  As long as you shot it the same way every time and your anchor point was the same everytime you could learn with repetition to shoot accurately.  Why we dont shoot that way is keeping everything in line from target to eye is easier for the brain to compute.

Shootmoore

  nice example
regarding the original reason for my post, what do ya think of that APA? Looks like I'd have to make a trip down to Longview to check one out though.

[Shootmoore]

I am just happy to see someone else built like an orangutan!  31 1/2 here and when looking at bows for sale this year I was noticing that they are all short draws.  Guess I will keep shooting the PSE Fireflight and purchase my new longbow.

Shootmoore

least we can pull off the "i'm just a tree" routine if the deer bust us 

Oh yea and at least your 32" draw is consistant to your height!  I'm only 5-11.  Try finding longsleeve shirts for a guy 5-11 with the same wingspan you have?  I dont have to bend over to scratch my knees I guess!

[haus]

i have not had that problem as far as far as having your eye farther away. i almost think it helps makes the pins seem smaller because they are farther away.

Thats interesting, I'll have to try that when I get the new bow.  

[haus]

Oh yea and at least your 32" draw is consistant to your height!  I'm only 5-11.  Try finding longsleeve shirts for a guy 5-11 with the same wingspan you have?  I dont have to bend over to scratch my knees I guess!

   so I'm guessing your bow choice is even more limited in that you need a 32" draw with at least a low 30" axle to axle? Or does it matter to you?

[Shootmoore]

Oh yea and at least your 32" draw is consistant to your height!  I'm only 5-11.  Try finding longsleeve shirts for a guy 5-11 with the same wingspan you have?  I dont have to bend over to scratch my knees I guess!

   so I'm guessing your bow choice is even more limited in that you need a 32" draw with at least a low 30" axle to axle? Or does it matter to you?

Don't matter to me really, I prefer longer axle to axle as they seem to be more forgiving and god knows I need al lthe forgivness I can get.  I shoot 68" recurves and 68 to 72" longbows.

Shootmoore

[haus]

Don't matter to me really, I prefer longer axle to axle as they seem to be more forgiving and god knows I need al lthe forgivness I can get.  I shoot 68" recurves and 68 to 72" longbows.

Shootmoore

I'm with ya on that, my grizzly is a 37", I'm surprised at times how well it makes up for my umm....less than sniper shooting stability  Learning to navigate through the westside brush with a compound is a bit interesting at times though 

[littlebuf]

before i bought a bow i did the whole ratio thing for your draw length and it came out to me having a 33 1/2 inch draw. well then when i went to get a bow i found that a 30 inch draw with a d loop fit me perfect (just a regular d loop nothing huge), and i mean absolutely perfect. go get one fitted to you before you think your options are limited. 30 inch bow fits me but i still cant find a flannel  

[carpsniperg2]

since you are a new haus if i were you go to a pro shop and get fitted right and see what you shoot the best. and not have to guess and order a bow that won't fit.

[littlebuf]

since you are a new haus if i were you go to a pro shop and get fitted right and see what you shoot the best. and not have to guess and order a bow that won't fit.

  go have a pro set you up. its a lot of money to spend and you want it right

[IronMike]

I have a 33" draw and I shoot Darton bows, if you can find a bow shop out here that carries them check out the Pro 5000 2 1/2 cam, I absolutely love mine.

[fishcrazy]

I'm in the same boat. It looks like I will need a 31" bow myself. I have gone to a shop and been fitted but am going to look at bending my arm a little and possible the D loop. I really want to get into a shorter draw so I can get a nice bow.

I found the Bowtech Sentinal was a good shooter for long armed guys like us.


They make bows for guys that look like a T-Rex!!! little short arms.

you know what they say about guys with long arms!! 

Kris

[haus]

I have a 33" draw and I shoot Darton bows, if you can find a bow shop out here that carries them check out the Pro 5000 2 1/2 cam, I absolutely love mine.

Shop listed in Olympia on the Darton site, alpines around at several spots, apa's the one that I'll have to do some drivin for.

since you are a new haus if i were you go to a pro shop and get fitted right and see what you shoot the best. and not have to guess and order a bow that won't fit.

have  pro shops though....need a little more independent knowledge rather than go in there blind and come out broke, know what I mean?  Good to hear whats worked for others and some of the options that are available, didn't hear much of that at the proshop's, go figure. lot of upselling though  Looks like I'll have to do some drivin' to test out the few models that are available at 32". 32",standard loop, with my cobra release hooked on feels the best and gave the best results so far.

[xXx Archery]

I would look at the PSE Vendetta XL 35" ata goes from 26.5 to 32.5 draw with 7.25 BH and 328 IBO speed all for only 679.00

[JBar]

IMO I think if a pro shop tried to send me out the door with a bow that was too short and a 2 or 3 inch loop I'd be a little  That's just trying to make a sale not find what works for you. Your options are a little limited but I would try to find a bow that actually fit me before asking a shop to put on a cheesy 2 inch loop on a short bow. Like XXX said give the Vendetta a try it looks like it would be a good bow, it's not a Mathews but...

[haus]

I would look at the PSE Vendetta XL 35" ata goes from 26.5 to 32.5 draw with 7.25 BH and 328 IBO speed all for only 679.00

cool thanks xxx. didn't catch that on their site, says 31", pdf says 32.5"...odd.
axe 7's close also, 31 1/2"

[xXx Archery]

I would look at the PSE Vendetta XL 35" ata goes from 26.5 to 32.5 draw with 7.25 BH and 328 IBO speed all for only 679.00

cool thanks xxx. didn't catch that on their site, says 31", pdf says 32.5"...odd.
axe 7's close also, 31 1/2"

yes I think the Vendetta XL will be better for the 35" ATA ...and the resale of the bow is better with 7" of draw range.
one of my hunting partners has a 32" draw and its hard to find bows for you guys ...most shops don't want to stock them for you to try.
if you have any more ?'s you can call me at the shop.
thanks xXx Archery
Cory

[elitehunter]

Check out the soon to be released Strother Inspire, it will be available in 32" draw.

[haus]

Check out the soon to be released Strother Inspire, it will be available in 32" draw.

ty sir  interesting learning about products from the smaller manufacturers, finding someone that actually carries them and isn't outside of Everett-Olympia is different story   

[haus]

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