Opinion

[Dman]

 Visiting a site I don't often get too, I saw a hunter had posted at least one, perhaps as many as three clearly illegal animals bragging about them. Still burns me up. I called them on it and got no response, so I'm assuming they have no rebuttle. would you report it?

[bobcat]

Would you mind posting a link to it? Or PM to me if you don't want to post it.

[boneaddict]

yes

[huntnphool]

Hell yes Dman, let us know when you do so we can follow it.

[jstamp]

Post the link on here, that way we all can call and report it!

[257 Wby Mag]

How were they clearly illegal?

[wastickslinger]

Hope you don't mid me posting it. If a couple of them suckers are legal it is close. I guess you cant always tell by a picture. Maybe there is an extra point or two that we cant see. Hope they are legal, not going to blatently say they are not though because I have been proved wrong a time or two in my life

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID38/59.html

[huntnphool]

looks like two of them are questionable, back row, 2nd and 3rd from the left

[Cougeyes]

I saw this a couple months back scanning through MM and was wondering the same thing.  I dont see the post there now, but someone actually called the guy out on it and clearly mentioned that Mule deer must be 3+ points and 2-3 of them dont appear to be that.  The guy who posted it wrote back and said that if you look clearly you can see a small cheater point on one and the other 2 point in plain site has an eyeguard he said (I have good eyes and can't see Jack!!! for an eyeguard).  I would write enforcement and have them take a look.  Doubt it'll ever get anywhere as pictures most likely aren't enough evidence, but worth a shot. 

[Cougeyes]

Those were the two I was wondering about too.  The 3rd one from the left does appear to be legal to me, the right side (our right side) antler appears to be non-typical and has 3 small points.  But the 2nd from the left appears to be a two point to me, there may be a small eyeguard, but hard to make out, if there is one i dont think its an inch.  The other bucks there that have eyeguards clearly have them and are easy to make out.  I turned in a guy once that shot a buck like that two point in that photo and it had a small 1/4 inch eyeguard and he claimed it was an inch.  He was wrong, got the animal taken and went to court, of course he won due to the game warden making a mistake in the paperwork.

[PolarBear]

Yep.  The buck in the back by the fawn whitie definitely looks illegal.  That is unless there is a special "any deer" tag.  I think that I can see a third point on the little one in the front row.

[257 Wby Mag]

Were they youth tags?  Are those Indians bucks Washington bucks? I thought they had the rez all shot out? Maybe thats where 300's raffle tag bucks went.

[mossback91]

yeah the second from the left looks the only illegal oen to me but illegal none the less. I know that there is a ton of huge whiteys on the rez and some big muleys too a 38 inch one shot on the rez in nov I personally thought it was an ugly deer but big.The rez is full of big deer you just ahve to hunt the right areas and be willing to do work but many just hunt from the road but some will hit the woods and those are the ones who shoot the big ones..

[Dman]

 Yup, that's the one. For the record, I did check and there are no special hunts or tags of any kind during the modern firearm opener in that area that allow for a 2 point buck. I would just say that if all of us with good eyes, not looking at the deer when it was alive and likely moving at least a little say it does not look legal, well, then at very the least the guy doing the shooting was a "shoot first, make sure it's legal 2nd" type of person that I wouldn't hunt with. Sorry to bash publicly, I wasn't going to post the thread, but since the cat's out, there it is.

[mossback91]

yeah I even zoomed on the pic and it doesn't look legal unless there a hidden point hahah

[jackelope]

in the other thread, he was called out on those little bucks and this is what he  posted...

actually those 2 2 points if you save the image and zoom in the one on the left has an inch eye gaurd that you can't see how it is sitting and the one on the right has an inch sticker hanging off ITS left antler... but what are the odds... everybody says they see the 2 points but never investigate!! lol.. its ok... we are all just hard hunters...

here's the link...
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID38/61.html

[Dman]

 Wow, I guess I'm blind, but I see two 1x2's and one of them might have a 1" nob on the left antler, not one that I would ever shoot at and be certain it was legal -even if it is. -People shoot dink bucks like this and legal or not, there's part of your reason that we don't have more mature bucks, but hey they all got their deer right! I can say this year in Montana I passed on a couple dozen bucks, spikes to 3x3's until the last day when a shot a 2x3 where any buck was legal. I took the best buck I had an opportunity at in other word's, I wonder how many other bucks these guys either shot at and missed, or shot at and found that they couldn't even pass them off as legal? Makes you wonder. I just hope the young kid, who probably shot the best deer out of all of them doesn't pick up the bad habits...

[Muleyslyr]

I just can't believe how much time I wasted on that site.    I don't miss that kinda a stuff at all.

[WAmuleyHunter]

ya i hardly ever go over to that site. I should have been, because i had a bunch of pm's and stuff with people pissed at me.  But they had the wrong guy.  With those couple guys going after each other, and the one guys name was WAmuleyTaker, and they thought it was me. i had people around wenatchee bringing it up. And i was like its not me.  Ridiculous.  But they really dont post to many things of value anymore.   I do a bunch of fishing up on the rez, it can be a crazy place to say the least.  But used to see some really nice animals, deer, and moose.  And would definitly see people "hunting" all year long, and all day or night long.

[mossback91]

  And would definitly see people "hunting" all year long, and all day or night long.

For sure  the whole rez thing is rediculous I'm not whinign to germany about what hitler did to my family.

I still say that that buck second from left is not legal and how would you know while it waas alive??

[Houndhunter]

i think its legal, looks like an eye guard on left side

[Mike450r]

I can't see anything on that 2nd buck but what makes a point an inch is deceiving.  It is measured from where the point begins on the beam, hard to explain and I am sure everyone knows this but I have seen more 1 inch legal points than I can remember that if measured straight from the tip of the point to the beam would be little more than 1/4 inch.  I took a buck out of vail one year that while nice I considered a 2x2 but at the checkout the agent called it a 3x4.

[Dman]

 Part of the reason this one struck a chord with me also is that this scenario is the main reason we quit camping and hunting in our NE Wa. area after nearly 20 years. This large group of guys that would take over the campground on the opener, averaging 15-18 guys would party hunt the heck out of that area and drive all over the woods on ATV's in red dot areas. They we're notorious for shooting non-legal or borderline legal bucks, at one point we were talking with them about some deer they had seen that day and one said "I missed a shot at a buck this AM". We asked how big, he said "I don't know I just saw horns and shot". 

[Bigshooter]

I just read through the reservation laws and I did not see where there was a three point min if you were hunting on the res.

[MuleySniper]

Id say maybe send the pics to the game department. Let them decide. But with all the experience I have had turning in poachers, even with solid proof, you will most likely be spinning your wheels. Those gamey's imo, dont do all that great of a job.
MS

[hogsniper]

Dman do you know these guys personally or what??? Why are u soo pissed about this? I see you have had a bad experience or 2 but these guys shot alot of nice deer and are all legal...Report it if you want but its a waste of your time....Happy hunting...Justin

[Dman]

Dman do you know these guys personally or what??? Why are u soo pissed about this? I see you have had a bad experience or 2 but these guys shot alot of nice deer and are all legal...Report it if you want but its a waste of your time....Happy hunting...Justin

  Holy cow, did you just come over from MM?? Substance please. Please also read the hunting regs..

[hogsniper]

Well you posted asking for peoples opinions and i gave mine and then asked you a question...Jumping to conclusions over a picture is pretty ridiculous....Call the game department and make ur claim..But again all the deer taken were legal....And about the MM part i frequently go there and enjoy looking at the pictures..My name is Lymanboy on MM....I just dont like how some people including yourself jump to conclusions..There is a kid posing with his deer and a bunch of other deer in a meat locker.....If your concerned again call the game department...  Take care   Justin 

  I wonder how many other bucks these guys either shot at and missed, or shot at and found that they couldn't even pass them off as legal? Makes you wonder. I just hope the young kid, who probably shot the best deer out of all of them doesn't pick up the bad habits...

[bobcat]

hogsniper,  just out of curiosity...how do you know "all the deer taken were legal?" Were you there?

[hogsniper]

I went and looked at all the deer. I went and hung out at their camp one evening and then had to get back to seattle to fly out....Damn military didnt let me hunt this year....soo yes i did see all the deer. I dont even know who posted the post but recognized the heads and the meat locker....Dont know how they saw all the legal points on the deer but know they are very ethical hunters and its all about the dads and their sons getting together for a good time....I know i probably sound like an A-hole on this post but just didnt like the direction the post was going towards....Justin

[HuntingFanatic]

I went and looked at all the deer. I went and hung out at their camp one evening and then had to get back to seattle to fly out....Damn military didnt let me hunt this year....soo yes i did see all the deer. I dont even know who posted the post but recognized the heads and the meat locker....Dont know how they saw all the legal points on the deer but know they are very ethical hunters and its all about the dads and their sons getting together for a good time....I know i probably sound like an A-hole on this post but just didnt like the direction the post was going towards....Justin

Sounds to me like you put this thread to rest.

[Dman]

 "Sounds to me like you put this thread to rest."

 It did that, Hogsniper was pretty clear in his attitude he knew these folks in his first post.

Hogsniper, your a young guy and your right about one thing only on this. Most of the bucks were legal and decent bucks, congrats to those hunters. I'd give one piece of advice to you, who you visit and hang out with in camp can brand you for who you are also. You took this more personally than someone who just "stopped by" a camp and said hello, I am wagering you are more than casual acquaintance's with some of this group. I'll be honest, although I don't like a lot of aspect's of tribal hunting, the post on the other site served no purpose other than to start an issue with tribal member's and in my opinion was incredibly ignorant in that the poster would have shown better judgement in  not posting buck's that many people thought and still feel were not shooters based on the fact that an experienced hunter, as many have said here could not identify two of those bucks as legal in the field, that's a fact you can argue, but ultimately not dispute. Those hunter's guessed. Plain and simple they guessed at what they were shooting at and don't feel singled out. We plainly told the folks in the other group that used to hunt in our area they would be lucky if the warden didn't come by and that their buck was not legal. I have on more than one occasion quit hunting with hunter's I've hunted with that I felt were not ethical and no regrets about it, I'd do it again tomorrow if it meant avoiding a bad situation lacking in common sense.

 Done on this time to move on.

[PacificNWhunter]

Hell yeah I would report it....people like that don't deserve to hunt.