Permit Change

[huntnphool]

Lets see what the initial reaction is to the proposed change.

[whacker1]

By proposed change - I assume we are talking about going to 8 pools of applicants for the 2010 special permit draw from the current 5?

[Craig]

What's the change?

[huntnphool]

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,42946.msg515008.html#msg515008

[Craig]

just looked. I think it sounds stupid. I don't see how it will help.  I will have 8 deer points this year.So does that mean I will have 8 points in every deer  drawing?

[bobcat]

So does that mean I will have 8 points in every deer  drawing?

    Yes

[billythekidrock]

So does that mean I will have 8 points in every deer  drawing?

    Yes

Are you sure?

[bobcat]

That's the way I understand it from reading the WDFW information on the changes. But no I'm not sure. I don't think it should be that way. I think the antlerless pools everybody should start out at zero. That, or people should be given a choice in which pool their points go.

[Crowns]

According to the proposal, yeah. Bobcat is right.

What happens to the points hunters have accumulated if these changes are made?

Hunters would retain the points they have accrued in years when they applied for a special hunting permit, but were not selected to receive one.  To ensure fairness, these points would be applied to each of the new subcategories created under the new proposal.  For example, if a deer hunter currently has 10 points, that hunter would be credited 10 points in each of the eight deer categories (e.g. buck, second antlerless, quality).  Future drawings would continue to be “weighted,” providing an advantage to hunters with the greatest number of points.

Do hunters lose all of their deer points if drawn for one of the deer categories?

No, hunters will accrue and lose points within an individual category.  For example, if a hunter is drawn for an antlerless permit, they would lose their points in the antlerless category, but retain them in all other deer categories.

[huntnphool]

So what and where are you supposed to hunt if you don't apply for anything?

[Skillet]

From the link:

"Because of the conditions and restrictions associated with various hunt choices, hunters have expressed dissatisfaction with the way the current system works.  Many hunters surveyed have complained that the odds of securing a permit for especially popular hunts are extremely low.  Others say they would like to apply for antlerless permits, but don’t want to lose the points they are saving for popular buck and bull permits."

Notice they never say which point they are trying to address... well, they are not helping the odds.  They are going after the $$ - and putting a slap on the back of the good ol' boys who want to meat hunt and not screw up their points for the buck and bull hunts.  

More money to the WDFW (a stated fact of the change) = more permit apps = lower odds.  You can't fool with those numbers.

Plus, the carrying over of the old points to ALL 8 tags for is bull butter.  Make the hunter choose the allocation - all for trophy, 1/2 trophy, 1/2 meat, all for meat, etc.

Yes, I'm bitter.  I will never get drawn for the only hunt I really want with my big 3 points!

[Crowns]

So what and where are you supposed to hunt if you don't apply for anything?

General season?

From the sounds of things, there will not be a "General Season". Youll have to draw to get your "General Season" permit. And then the "Quality hunts" will be for example the Nov. Rifle Buck Permits or the Sept Rifle Bull permits.

I think I like the idea personally. Id like to read more though.

[bobcat]

I sure never saw anything that said general season was being eliminated. 

[billythekidrock]

That's the way I understand it from reading the WDFW information on the changes. But no I'm not sure. I don't think it should be that way. I think the antlerless pools everybody should start out at zero. That, or people should be given a choice in which pool their points go.

Thanks.

Yea, I don't like it either. Maybe I just don't understand it. What happens if you are drawn? Do you lose all points in both pools? What if you are drawn for both?

[Crowns]

I sure never saw anything that said general season was being eliminated. 

The proposal states Buck/Bull permits. Im just taking that as being the general season hunts. What other permits/seasons do we really have now that they could be? Hell, they might even lift the spike and 3 point min restrictions if they reduce the amount of hunters hunting during the "General Season" through these Buck/Bull permits. Im more or less making assumptions here though, so correct me if im wrong.