Permit Change

[Ridgerunner]

I really like the changes, especially if they limit guys to 2 choices.  There are some new late mule deer huntsin the blues too. 

[bobcat]

A lot of new bull elk rifle hunts in the rut.

[Deep Forks]

  So if I read this right, you could draw more than one permit and hunt until you've punched your tag, which possibally could leave unknown amount of tags unfilled.  So if there were 25 people drawn for antlerless permits and 5 of those people also drew buck permits and they filled their tags with the buck permit wouldn't that leave 5 antlerless permits unfilled.  If this is the way the new system is going too work we hunters are being cheated out of possible permits.  If I'm wrong which I tend to be all to often please explain  

[bobcat]

What you are saying is correct. It's not all bad, a person who draws two permits for the same species also loses their points in both categories, but still only gets to tag one animal. So people will be getting knocked back to zero points and the following years other people will have less "points" to compete with.

[Cougeyes]

I really like the changes, especially if they limit guys to 2 choices.  There are some new late mule deer huntsin the blues too. 

Are they proposing that?  I didn't come across anything on how many choices a person will have, just curious? 

I like the changes too, hey we all knew it was to increase revenue for them, which they actually stated upfront numerous times, if it increasing my hunting opportunity I will shell out the extra cash.....that is if it stays $5 a permit, may change my mind if it is more.  I have a lot of thinking and choices to make here in the near future. 

[bobcat]

You're right, they were really upfront about this change being to increase revenue for the WDFW. We knew that seemed to be the main purpose but I was surprised to have them come out and say it like that several times.

[billythekidrock]

Thats only fair, this will allow all of them to eventually get a call in years to come.

Only those in the general area will be called for the damage moose. Unfortunately I was told they won't call a westside guy for an eastside problem.

  So if I read this right, you could draw more than one permit and hunt until you've punched your tag, which possibally could leave unknown amount of tags unfilled.  So if there were 25 people drawn for antlerless permits and 5 of those people also drew buck permits and they filled their tags with the buck permit wouldn't that leave 5 antlerless permits unfilled.  If this is the way the new system is going too work we hunters are being cheated out of possible permits.  If I'm wrong which I tend to be all to often please explain 

I agree. This could cause a shortage of permits and at least half of those will go unfilled.

[SkookumHntr]

I see some great new hunts but im still not seeing in anyway draw odds getting better at all, im trying to make the best of it with the new hunts but draw odds are still going down the toilet from what I see.

[billythekidrock]

Well I have only browsed the proposal but I wonder what F&W is thinking.

Capitol Peak as a "Quality" hunt? WTF?
There are no westside "Buck" permits that I can find.
What happened to the "Master Hunter" Quinault hunt?

[SkookumHntr]

Details here:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-04-125.pdf

I REALLY like what they have done.  100% behind it.  And yeah, I'll be buying more permit apps. 

-Sure there are some great new hunts but that is the ONLY thing that is positive with this new system, Im not sure what your all giddy about, your going to see odds of 1in200+ on hunts that were not near that before! As much as I hated it before I wish it wasnt changing

[D_morg]

The only thing I don't like, they don't give out enough youth permits for elk. Nothing like saying sorry kids you don't matter

[Heavily Armed Hiker]

If they are going to raise our fees, I would rather get something in return (ie: more drawings for various categories) then have them just blindly raise our fees.   

[Ridgerunner]

Odds have always been terrible on the premier hunts in this state(as other states).  I don't think they are going to get drastically worse because of this, some people may be more confused and choose not to apply.  In the past I've never put in for WT hunts, just mule deer hunts, but if this goes through I'll probably do both, I like that.

And the state is hurting for money so giving them a few extra bucks isn't that big of a deal to me. 

[Cougeyes]

  I don't think they are going to get some people may be more confused and choose not to apply. 

Haha, if i start trying to figure it all out by the time the applications come around I may know what to do, i'm still a little confused and those that were already confused with the old system will most likely be overwhelmed.  WDFW is going to be bombarded with e-mails and explanations, they better hope they make it really clear in the regulations or they will have to hire some new people to field all the inquires they're about to receive.

[WDFW-SUX]

Im just glad I have points going into this thing and am not just starting out even though it probably doesn't matter much..Its not going to accomplish there stated goals and thats fine I really don't care anymore.  

Feel free to be a Pollyanna and continue to cheer on the pimping out of Washington's wildlife guys...there are so many potential problems in this thing its just sick.


Here is one to think on..

There were 54,431 applications for modern firearm bull tags last year for 863 tags.. now we have a situation where there will be the same number of applications for the "quality" hunts except for there are only 333 permits...oops

This is a ponzi scheme..because every one's odds will be reduced so much no ones probability will increase..all this does is raise more money for the WDFW.