Permit Change

[billythekidrock]

So I have posted that I am not a fan of leveling current point totals across the categories and would rather they have us choose where to put our points and start at zero in the other categories.

Following that line of thinking I wonder what would happen to those with points in the "Youth" and "MH" categories.

What happens when you are no longer eligible for those categories? Hmm..Could they be applied to another category but not exceed what ever your max would be?

This is just a hypothetical post and I don't expect a real answer.

[Curly]

I wondered the same thing. 

BTW - I still haven't gotten a response from WDFW regarding my email to them other than the automated response saying they would respond within 5 business days.

[Dry creek]

you can only put in for buck or bull not both and so half the hunters will put in for elk your odds for deer are grater

[Cougeyes]

you can only put in for buck or bull not both and so half the hunters will put in for elk your odds for deer are grater

You're mistaken, i dont think it states that anywhere.

[MooseStock]

I agree.....I have NO idea where he read about that. If you happen to be a youth, that is handicapped and you've taken the Master Hunter program YOU are GOLD man.....You can put in for a ton of categories Deer/Elk/Moose/etc. as long as the credit union will approve your loan to pay for it all...as the WDFW sits back and fill their pockets!!! As I stated back in about 400 posts ago I think the whole thing is a money grab for the WDFW and had a game warden at the Puy Sport show (that is a hunter himself) agree. This is a horrible "Can of Worms" that is going to cause TONS of problems. I still think the current draw is a  good and fair system...if it ain't broke...don't fix it. The bad thing is that gamie I talked with thought it was pretty much a done deal..............Les

[bobcat]

I think the current system is fine too. This is happening because of all the whiners who complain to the WDFW because they haven't drawn a special permit in over 10 years. But these whiners are the same people that only apply for the permits that have 1 in 200 odds or worse. People, if you apply for hunts with tough odds like that, you only have reason to complain if you have applied for 200 years and haven't been drawn yet.

[MooseStock]

You are right on the button with that.....I know a couple of guys that always put in as partners for Elk that have 13 points. They only put in for ONE really special hunt in Eastern Wash and wonder why they can't get drawn??.....DUH   They could have put in long ago and been drawn for some pretty good hunts. They do sit pretty good on this new system with those points. The current system was EXTREMELY fair to all with the way they squared the points and weighted it toward percentage. All these whiners just gave WDFW a really good excuse to make a bunch more cash off of us all................Just my opinion...............Les

[Bob33]

I know a couple of guys that always put in as partners for Elk that have 13 points. They only put in for ONE really special hunt in Eastern Wash and wonder why they can't get drawn??.....DUH   They could have put in long ago and been drawn for some pretty good hunts. They do sit pretty good on this new system with those points."

Ironically they will sit worse under the new system, as their draw pool will likely increase, not decrease.  They will be competing with not only the same hunters as they have in the past, but most likely will also now compete with others that were previously applying for cow permits, senior permits, youth permits, and so forth.  That's the folly of this.  Think about all the youth for example: many will be joining the ranks of those applying for the quality hunts.  Why not?

[MooseStock]

Right you are. It is such a "Tangled Web"......if they used to have problems with the draw just imagine what this fiasco will create. All of your input is right on...................Les

[Cougeyes]

My 12 points for deer this year may not be a shoe in after all, i thought i would draw last year but didn't wonder if my chances actually just got worse.

[SkookumHntr]

you can only put in for buck or bull not both and so half the hunters will put in for elk your odds for deer are grater

Ya dude you are very confused!

[Dry creek]

the current system sucks...we the hunters need to run the wdfw

[SkookumHntr]

I think the current system is fine too. This is happening because of all the whiners who complain to the WDFW because they haven't drawn a special permit in over 10 years. But these whiners are the same people that only apply for the permits that have 1 in 200 odds or worse. People, if you apply for hunts with tough odds like that, you only have reason to complain if you have applied for 200 years and haven't been drawn yet.

-Not drawing the hard to get hunts isnt what bothers us, we know there once in a lifetime draw odds, its the having max points and the guy with 3pts draws! It happens to often, the system is flawed, now its really going to be flawed!

[billythekidrock]

I think the current system is fine too. This is happening because of all the whiners who complain to the WDFW because they haven't drawn a special permit in over 10 years. But these whiners are the same people that only apply for the permits that have 1 in 200 odds or worse. People, if you apply for hunts with tough odds like that, you only have reason to complain if you have applied for 200 years and haven't been drawn yet.

-Not drawing the hard to get hunts isnt what bothers us, we know there once in a lifetime draw odds, its the having max points and the guy with 3pts draws! It happens to often, the system is flawed, now its really going to be flawed!

To me, that is one of the few good things about our system. I just want better odds and a quicker cycling through of points. Too many guys out there with 20+ points.

[Curly]

Not drawing the hard to get hunts isn't what bothers us, we know there once in a lifetime draw odds, its the having max points and the guy with 3pts draws! It happens too often, the system is flawed, now its really going to be flawed!

To me, that is one of the few good things about our system. I just want better odds and a quicker cycling through of points. Too many guys out there with 20+ points.

 

How is the system flawed if a guy with a few points draws?  The system is fine.  The guy is just luckier that draws with 1 point than the guy that doesn't draw with 10 points.  Would you want the State Lottery to require a guy buy a certain amount of tickets before he's eligible to win the lottery?