Permit Change

[SkookumHntr]

-It happens too often, I don't think the computers calculate the Pt's correctly or at all. Mission Bull tag, 1 permit 138 apps and a guy with 1 pt draws, I think it was more than luck, system failer or crooked wdfw gets my vote

[Dry creek]

billy is right we need draw only to get points turned over.

[washelkhntr]

I personally think every year your points should get zeroed out, that way everyone has the same odds. 

[bobcat]

I personally think every year your points should get zeroed out, that way everyone has the same odds. 

[billythekidrock]

I personally think every year your points should get zeroed out, that way everyone has the same odds.  

Then why have points? How fair is that to the people that have been putting in for years? (it would be better for me since I have no elk points. lol)

When we didn't have points some people complained that they never drew and that new hunters were getting all the permits. Then people were drawing back to back permits for the same unit and that made people angry. Then you had to wait two or three years before you could apply again and they had a three day wait to start the season if you didn't draw. So points were implemented to slightly up the odds for those who always apply for permits.

[boneaddict]

Systems with no points are the best IMO.  Bonus points like Washington are second best and preference point systems SUCK

[bobcat]

Systems with no points are the best IMO.  Bonus points like Washington are second best and preference point systems SUCK

[mulehunter]

 


Mulehunter   

[Curly]

 

[washelkhntr]

Do you get points when you go to the corner store and buy a lotto ticket and don't win? Just because a guy has been applying for years and never been drawn doesen't entitle him to draw a tag anymore than the next guy. I have been on both ends of the spectrum and drawn with only 1 point and drawn with 5+ points. Like I said, just my opinion that everyone should have the same odds every year. But opinions are just that...opinions.

I would love to see it go back to the way if was years ago, where if you drew a tag you had to wait the three years to apply again.

[bobcat]

I would love to see it go back to the way if was years ago, where if you drew a tag you had to wait the three years to apply again.

Yeah I sure do miss the old way.

[Curly]

What happens to the points hunters have accumulated if these changes are made?

Hunters would retain the points they have accrued in years when they applied for a special hunting permit, but were not selected to receive one.  To ensure fairness, these points would be applied to each of the new subcategories created under the new proposal.  For example, if a deer hunter currently has 10 points, that hunter would be credited 10 points in each of the eight deer categories (e.g. buck, second antlerless, quality).  Future drawings would continue to be “weighted,” providing an advantage to hunters with the greatest number of points.

I'll say it again, since I don't think I said it in this thread......... How is it "fair" to credit an applicant his points in each of the eight deer categories?  That is my biggest complaint.  Does WDFW feel they need to pay back the guys who have complained the most for not being able to draw by letting them draw anterless permits?  Makes absolutely no sense to me and seems totally unfair.

I received an email reply to my question asking WDFW why they thought it was fair to distribute the points like they have decided.  I thought they were ignoring me but it turns out they answered the question right away, but my spam filter had thought it was junk mail...

Here is the reply:

"Thank you for contacting the Department of Fish and Wildlife regarding the proposed special permit changes.  The complexity of allowing hunters to choose where their points would go could not be accommodated in our system efficiently.  So we choose to spread their points over all categories of the species where they had earned them.

The proposals will be available for comment early next month and we strongly encourage folks to submit their thoughts at that time.

 Sincerely,

Wildlife Program "

So, basically I see it as they are admitting that it isn't really "fair" like they say but that they would have a hard time doing it another way.  I don't see that as a good enough reason.........

[Ridgerunner]

If they didn't spread the points then the guys who have been appliying for antlerless for multiple years would go back to zero, that doesn't seem real fair to me.  I'm chomping at the bit to see the details on the proposals.  Then I'll make up my mind whether its a good or bad thing.

[Hillbilly270]

call me crazy but i forsee misdraws in the future

[Curly]

If they didn't spread the points then the guys who have been appliying for antlerless for multiple years would go back to zero, that doesn't seem real fair to me.  I'm chomping at the bit to see the details on the proposals.  Then I'll make up my mind whether its a good or bad thing.

The fair way would be to have the applicant choose where the points should go.  Then the antlerless guys could choose to have all their points in the antlerless category.....what's not fair about that?  If the points are distributed across all pools, then the antlerless guys will then be in the quality pools with several points, thus potentially screwing the guys with a bunch of points trying to draw a premium tag.