Permit Change

[WDFW-SUX]

This whole thing is FUBAR...

[bobcat]

So, basically I see it as they are admitting that it isn't really "fair" like they say but that they would have a hard time doing it another way.  I don't see that as a good enough reason.........

It seems like a reasonable reason. I figured that is why they were doing it that way. I would think it would be too costly to do it any other way. Too labor intensive I would suppose, for the computer people doing the programming, and the data entry people.

So yeah, it really isn't the fair way to do it, but at least to the WDFW's way of thinking, the people who have been whining the most about the current system, will be sittin' pretty, with all their points spread across all the categories, and the whiners might quit whining.

Like I said before, if it wasn't for all the whiners they would have left it as it is, which was working just fine. They need to stop listening to the public and just do things the right way. That is what they're getting paid to do, not to listen to us.

[billythekidrock]

I would gladly give back my bull from this year so I could have some points in all categories.

But on the plus side it gives me a better reason not to purchase points (since it may take years to undo the top heavy applicants) and if more people do that then the odds could get better for the rest of you.

[Curly]

So, basically I see it as they are admitting that it isn't really "fair" like they say but that they would have a hard time doing it another way.  I don't see that as a good enough reason.........

It seems like a reasonable reason. I figured that is why they were doing it that way. I would think it would be too costly to do it any other way. Too labor intensive I would suppose, for the computer people doing the programming, and the data entry people.

So yeah, it really isn't the fair way to do it, but at least to the WDFW's way of thinking, the people who have been whining the most about the current system, will be sittin' pretty, with all their points spread across all the categories, and the whiners might quit whining.

Like I said before, if it wasn't for all the whiners they would have left it as it is, which was working just fine. They need to stop listening to the public and just do things the right way. That is what they're getting paid to do, not to listen to us.

Well, it seems like a silly reason to me.  The computer programmer could add a box for the applicant to check for where they want the previous points (accumulated before 2010) to go.  It should not be too difficult, but yes it would make it more difficult.

I figured that was the reason too.  So, why add that part in the FAQ saying "to ensure fairness"?  

It still won't fix the problem of whiners.  Now I'll be a whiner and the guys with 14 points will still be whining because they still won't be able to draw a permit.........

[SkookumHntr]

Yep FUBAR

[billythekidrock]

Well if they would go back to two choices in all categories I would quit my beef with the points issue. lol

[bobcat]

I figured that was the reason too.  So, why add that part in the FAQ saying "to ensure fairness"?

Maybe because the only other option would be to only allocate the points in one category of their choosing, probably if they had to pick one the "Quality" category would make the most sense for the most people. But then there may be some people who only apply for antlerless permits and aren't interested in quality hunts, so it wouldn't be fair for them.

Again, I'm not saying I like it, I'm just speculating as to why they are doing it the way they are doing it.

[uplandhunter870]

i think they are spreading the points out becasue it makes it easy on them, no mass data entries after an email asking everyhunter who has points where they want them, no extra time for the programmers the add in a "i want my points in [insert desired category]" button.  also it will probably keep the belly aching down from the guys that put in the entiat a tag every year a whine when they dont get drawn.

but i also think it mainly goes back to the money grab statement and the WDFW can try and lie to us saying that it will improve draw odds

got to fix the budget somehow, the grinch cant raise taxes and plan on keeping her office, so might as well dig into the pockets of a select group that the majority of the state doesnt see eye to eye with as it is.

im just glad they didnt jump straight to a draw only system, i dont think i could stay sane without being able to go out and chase deer around for a few weeks and i cannot afford to hunt out of state

special draws are a nice option but not a necessity, if you dont like the way things are going to be come june save your cash and support another state's system.

thats my 

[Ridgerunner]

Details here:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-04-125.pdf

I REALLY like what they have done.  100% behind it.  And yeah, I'll be buying more permit apps. 

[Ridgerunner]

no details about how many choices though.

[Bigshooter]

Details here:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-04-125.pdf

I REALLY like what they have done.  100% behind it.  And yeah, I'll be buying more permit apps. 

It does show what a quality tag will be and what a buck tag will be.

[Bigshooter]

Turnbull is listed.

[bobcat]

Off topic but interesting that they will no longer require a concealed pistol license for a muzzleloader or archery hunter to carry a handgun.

[bobcat]

Another interesting change, the Master Hunters who draw the special Master Hunter only moose permits will lose their points.

[huntnphool]

Thats only fair, this will allow all of them to eventually get a call in years to come.