Permit Change

[CJ-5]

What happened to the september rifle rut tags for the Dayton and Wenaha east and west??  Guess those were a one time only deal. 

[billythekidrock]

Im just glad I have points going into this thing and am not just starting out even though it probably doesn't matter..Its not going to accomplish there stated goals and thats fine I really don't care anymore.  

Feel free to be a Pollyanna and continue to cheer on the pimping out of Washington's wildlife guys...there are so many potential problems in this thing its just sick.


Here is one to think on..

There were 54,431 applications for modern firearm bull tags last year for 863 tags.. now we have a situation where there will be the same number of applications for the "quality" hunts except for there are only 333 permits...oops

Yes, I find it quite sad that many believe "opportunity" message.

To further your example above...
Now add the fact that an applicant can also select in other categories and some of those permits will go unfilled. At a minimum, 50% of all permits will go unfilled (and some will go un-hunted) when one applicant is selected for multiple permits for the same species. All that adds up to less access to the available permits.

[Ridgerunner]

I think the thing that most of us don't realize is the majority of guys are only putting in for units that they normally hunt, its only a very small percentage that are willing to go to the top tier units regardless of where they are at from us.  If thats the case I still think most of the applicants for the blues hunts will be from guys who normally hunt the blues, you'll hvae a few that put in for them that dont normally hunt there but not that many. 

[CJ-5]

I think thats true ridgerunner, most guys do apply for units somewhat close to where they live and hunt.  Its just too bad that 3 of the top elk hunts, if not THE top elk hunts in the state are proposed to be taken away.  There are still plenty of good hunts available, but those are the kind of "Quality" hunts a guy waits 15+ years to draw. 

[Cougeyes]

Yes, I find it quite sad that many believe "opportunity" message.

I only believe the opportunity message because i was one of the people that would only put in for buck tags and only bull tags because i did not want to lose my points on a cow tag or a doe tag, now i have the opportunity to put in for those tags without losing my buck points and bull points. 

I for one will have 12 points for deer in this years draw, will i put in for an antlerless tag, most likely but i will also be putting in for a quality buck tag as well, if drawn for buck i will not hunt doe, and even if i dont draw buck and draw doe i probably wouldn't hunt doe until the last couple days to try and fill the freezer because i would opt to hunt the general buck season.  So yes, that doe tag, granted i drew it would most likely go unfilled.  It does take away from those that normally apply for doe tags and it does decrease there odds of drawing because you have new people putting in for tags they normally would not and I do not think this increases odds at all, it does increase possible opportunity and it deffinetly INCREASES WDFW REVENUE

There are many flaws with this new system and i agree that this is not a way to increase odds for people. 

[WDFW-SUX]

I think you can turn your permit back in and keep your points as I read the regs...

[SkookumHntr]

Odds have always been terrible on the premier hunts in this state(as other states).  I don't think they are going to get drastically worse because of this, some people may be more confused and choose not to apply.  In the past I've never put in for WT hunts, just mule deer hunts, but if this goes through I'll probably do both, I like that.

And the state is hurting for money so giving them a few extra bucks isn't that big of a deal to me.  

Exactly my point and so will I and my dad and brother and everybody else will be applying for WT tags, thus draw odds down the *censored*ter! And you think just the locals apply for the BLues, boy are you wrong! Hell now I get to apply for goose, or rimrock, probably pull one of those tags that I have never had interest applying for screwing the guys that hope for those tags, and I don't loose my max points for the Blues, Every type of applicant is screwed with this system, Meat hunters, bull hunters, and Trophy Bull hunters, The only way for this new system to work is if they make you choose what pool you want your Pt's to go into and start at 0 for the rest, then it would work otherwise this system will be horrible!!!

[billythekidrock]

So now with the crappy "Quality" hunts like the Satsop, Capitol Peak, etc. for deer with nothing on the westside designated in the "Buck" category I may as well apply for the Desert and other true quality units. Oopps. Now the odds are even higher over there. Whack-a-mole with the only winner being F&W.

Where are the 150+ bull permit applicants going to apply now that they got rid of the Quinault bull hunt? That means 150 applications potentially going elsewhere...again upping the odds on the remaining permits.

[SkookumHntr]

-Dave Ware and those clowns have absolutely know idea what the hell they are doing

[huntnphool]

I think the thing that most of us don't realize is the majority of guys are only putting in for units that they normally hunt,

 I don't see it this way Ridge, if you are given free points to a new category why would you not take advantage of it and apply, I seriously doubt the $5.00 will stop anyone? I believe better than half will take the additional chance, and this is what WDFW is counting on as well to increase $$$$.

 If someone has 10 points going into this new system and there is a antlerless catagory that they previously never bothered applying for because they would lose their points, they are given 10 free points in this new draw, you really think the guy is going to say no thanks and just forget about it? I wouldn't bet on it.

[WDFW-SUX]

Ive already got some tags picked out that Ill be after. 

[Ridgerunner]

We can agree to disagree but I do think that most hunters don't venture out and try new spots on a regular basis, most guys go to the same camp they have been hunting decade after decade.  I dont think this board is a good cross representation of the typical hunter in WA.  We tend to be more obsessive and willing to go wherever it takes to get to the best hunting.

Do I think draw odds are going to be better, no.  They'll get worse, but to be honest I don't think they are that good right now.  In 15 years of applying I've drawn 3 tags while putting in for all species available, not very good odds. 

[Lowedog]

Wow, 3 in 15 yrs!?  You are doing better than me.  I have one since '94 and have only drawn twice in my life.     I don't understand all the whining.  Pretty simple.  If you don't like it don't play the game.   

[huntnphool]

I do think that most hunters don't venture out and try new spots on a regular basis

 I would agree, until they draw a permit.

[Lowedog]

I do think that most hunters don't venture out and try new spots on a regular basis

 I would agree, until they draw a permit.

And then come on H-W and ask where to hunt!