300 win mag loads?

[dbllunger]

I always believe in questioning if I believe or have other data.  Thanks and don't apologize.  I don't want bad info out that someone may use to make a decision.

[bobcat]

I would disagree with energy is meaningless as it is critical to proper penatration and bullet expansion.

Not trying to pick on you or anything but the reason I say energy is a meaningless number is that it is just a number calculated using the velocity and the weight of the bullet.  It's just a theoretical number. I would say velocity and bullet construction is what determines penetration and bullet expansion, not foot-pounds of energy. But that's just my way of looking at it. I used to pay lots of attention to energy figures but came to realize they just don't mean much. Again, just my opinion.

[dbllunger]

Trust me I take no offense to your posts.  I think we are saying the same thing just from two different perspectives.  I do believe exactly as you do in regards to bullet construction is the key to penatration.  I also agree that bullet velocity contributes to penatration based on the bullet contruction.  If you combine those you get the energy figure on the surface.  I have never worried about having a certain KE at impact for a bullet to be fatal.  I shoot premium bullets as fast as I can drive them out of any gun I shoot.  That being said I also shoot a upper weight bullet for caliber.  I was into the lighter faster bullets, but have changed to a heavier bullet as fast as it can go.  IE: 257/120, 284/160, 308/180.

[bobcat]

Yep, I too am a fan of the heavy-for-caliber bullets. I've always used 150's in my 270, for everything and anything. Some people think that's weird. 

I've only started making exceptions in the case of the Barnes x bullets. With them you can easily go lighter and still get better performance than you would with a heavier, standard construction type bullet. I'm even considering 150 grain bullets out of my 30/06 for elk. I definitely will not go heavier than the 168 with the Barnes TSX. With any other bullet I wouldn't use anything but a 180, for elk.

[Bookworm]

I've always had better luck with heavy for caliber bullets. I started reloading for my 270 about 25 years ago. The first year I tried 130 grain Nosler partitions. They worked ok. The next year I switched to 150s. Never been back. I shoot 200 grain partitions out of my 300 win.mag. Everything that I've ever shot with that load has basically went down in its tracks. I am going to experiment with some of the Barnes 130s in my 270wsm later this spring.

[bobcat]

ooh, a 200 out of a 300 mag, gotta like that! You ever try a 200 grain Accubond? Man they've got a high B.C.

[Bookworm]

No I have not. I didn't know they made them in that size. I never saw them on their website until you mentioned them. I will have to try some out.

[GoldTip]

I initially used a 200gr Nosler Partition in my 300 winny but had problems with them with deer.  I loved them on elk, but the two deer I shot with that load,  the bullet seemed to blow through the deer and have very little expansion and did not seem to impart much energy onto the deer.  Very little exit hole or blood trails, so I was less than impressed.  Hunting Idaho and Montana, unlike here, elk season and deer season are open at the same time, so I set out to find the best bullet combo for both animals.  I settled on the Swift Scirocco at 180gr probably 8 years ago and have never looked back.  Multiples of each species have fallen to that bullet for me with nothing but excellent performance.  From what I have seen out of my buddies 300wsm, the 180gr accubond performs much the same.

[NORRISKI2]

168 Barnes TSX or 165 Hornady Interbond.  I personally own a 300 WSM, but I have witnessed my brother's 300 WM with 165 gr Hornday interbonds take several mule deer at distances between 200 & 400 yards with great success. Like others have suggested you may consider something heavier for elk or moose.

[NORRISKI]

As my brother said i shoot 165gr Interbond by hornady,this round shot lights out in my tikka t3 lite.I did not have any luck with nosler partitions,out of my gun for accuracy though they killed well, i would use 165gr on elk shot placement is key so i would choose what shoots the best out of my rifle.This round flat out kills mule deer and would kill an elk at safe distances IMHO..

[Intruder]

Goldtip/Dblllunger.....

I too tend to agree w/ the general feeling that energy figures are somewhat over-used to try and quantify killing capacity. 

I'm a total advocate of bullet construction being a top priority in killing capacity.  As such, if I'm able to achieve high weight retention I'm less motivated to shoot the heavy bullets for caliber.  I'm not saying shoot "light" bullets per se'.  To me, ya gotta find that balance between weight, speed, BC, accuracy that works in your gun no matter what cal. 

[GoldTip]

It's all a balance, speed only kills if your in a car wreck.  Weight only kills if your going fast enough.  And neither of'em kills if you don't hit anything!   

[Curly]

I do like the 168TSX too.  I wouldn't hesitate to use it on Moose.

It might seem odd to say a 168 grain bullet is good for moose.  Conventional thinking says to go with a 200 grain Nosler Partition for elk and moose; end of story.  But, times have changed now that we have the TSX available to us.  With the TSX, you loose hardly any weight as the bullet travels through the animal.  If you retain 90% of the 168TSX, the bullet will weigh 151 gr.  If you use a 200 gr. NP and it retains 70% then the bullet will weigh 140 gr after hitting the animal.  So, as you can see, the 168TSX should retain more weight than the 200 gr. NP.

I've had good luck with H1000 in my 300 win mag rifles (at least as far as accuracy and small extreme spread over the chronograph).  RE22 gave me better velocities but the H1000 gave better accuracy.

[Intruder]

 

I do like the 168TSX too.  I wouldn't hesitate to use it on Moose.

It might seem odd to say a 168 grain bullet is good for moose.  Conventional thinking says to go with a 200 grain Nosler Partition for elk and moose; end of story.  But, times have changed now that we have the TSX available to us. 

I used that very bullet to kill a moose the past fall.  I absolutely love that bullet in my 300.  My only gripe is the BC isn't as good so it doesn't buck the wind at long range.  That being said, it don't make a hill a beans of difference under 300 yards.

[92xj]

bumping this up for some more load info.

Looking for powder references for heavy weight bullets in the 300wm.  Wanting to change my setup from 208gr amax pushed by rl25 to something better for animals, 190gr, 210gr or 215gr.  Thinking either accubond LRs or eld-x.  Anyone have any proven data to start working loads.