collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: An offer to help  (Read 68506 times)

Offline Todd_ID

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2926
  • Location: Clarkston
  • Hunt Hard!
An offer to help
« on: January 17, 2010, 06:52:10 PM »
I just got a new software program for archery that is amazing.  If anybody wants me to put in their information with a question in mind then post your info here and I'll see what I can come up with.  The questions it can answer are things like: "What's my best arrow spine choice," and "Can I go with a 100 grain broadhead or should I stick with 125," and "What's the 30-50 yard drop difference between these two arrows/broadheads/bows?"    The program tells you anything you could possibly want to know about your bow and how it shoots, so the questions are almost limitless.  Chances are someone has these types of questions out there, and I can possibly help.  The info the program needs are: Bow year, brand, model, draw length, and pull weight, arrow brand, cut length, fletch type and number, point/broadhead weight, 2,3, or 4 blade broadhead, and nock collar/adapter or not. 

Bring a GPS!  It's awkward to have to eat your buddies!

Offline SilkWWU

  • Feet Dragger
  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 615
  • Location: Vancouver, WA
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 07:07:51 PM »
Do you know if there's a similar program for Rifles?

Offline Todd_ID

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2926
  • Location: Clarkston
  • Hunt Hard!
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 07:12:32 PM »
Do you know if there's a similar program for Rifles?
There's got to be something out there like that.  Post a question about it in the guns and ammo section.  Someone on here will know.
Bring a GPS!  It's awkward to have to eat your buddies!

Offline TheKid#10

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Dec 2007
  • Posts: 363
  • Location: Puyallup & Chinook Pass, WA.
  • Bullwhisperer
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 07:23:20 PM »
Cool Todd!

what can you tell me about my setup?   best spine, yardage drops, best weight broadhead. ect.

2009 Bear Truth II 29" draw 50#-70# range  set at 64/65# gold tip arrows  30 1/2" cut 3 blazer vanes 125 gr  broadheads 3 blade Montecs standard nock w d loop over and under the nock
"Success: You get out, what you put in." - TheKid#10

Offline SpokaneSlayer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Posts: 1252
  • Location: Anchorage, AK
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 07:44:39 PM »
I'd like to know what I can expect from my new set up in terms of velocity and kinetic energy:

2010 Mathews Z7, 25 inch draw, set to 60#, Easton Axis ST  400's (9.8 grains per inch) cut to 26 inches with HIT inserts, 3 blazers, 100 grain 3 blade Hellrazor broadhead, standard nock, with a d loop.




"Let freedom ring with a shotgun blast!" - Machine Head

Offline Todd_ID

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2926
  • Location: Clarkston
  • Hunt Hard!
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 09:02:21 PM »
Cool Todd!

what can you tell me about my setup?   best spine, yardage drops, best weight broadhead. ect.

2009 Bear Truth II 29" draw 50#-70# range  set at 64/65# gold tip arrows  30 1/2" cut 3 blazer vanes 125 gr  broadheads 3 blade Montecs standard nock w d loop over and under the nock

Ok, with your setup I came up with:
Your recommended spine is .329, so for 125 grain heads in a Gold Tip it's the XTHunter series in 7595 (.340).
That will fly at 271 fps with 14.03% FOC and 71.37 ft-lbs KE with arrow weight of 415 grains (all very good)
Go to 100 grain heads and you get 276, 11.82, 69.8, 390

Drop from 20-50 yds, KE at 50 yds
125 gr: 30.95", 59.17
100 gr: 29.61", 57.7

I'd stick with the 125 grain and 7595 arrows if you like them.  If you have the 5575 arrows, then I'd guess they aren't flying too well because they are way under-spined (.400) at that length.
Bring a GPS!  It's awkward to have to eat your buddies!

Offline Todd_ID

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2926
  • Location: Clarkston
  • Hunt Hard!
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 09:18:24 PM »
I'd like to know what I can expect from my new set up in terms of velocity and kinetic energy:

2010 Mathews Z7, 25 inch draw, set to 60#, Easton Axis ST  400's (9.8 grains per inch) cut to 26 inches with HIT inserts, 3 blazers, 100 grain 3 blade Hellrazor broadhead, standard nock, with a d loop.

For you I see:
Recommended spine is .453, so the .400 is stiff with the 100 grain heads but will probably fly fine with 12.5% FOC, 54.15 ft-lb KE, at 248 FPS with arrow weight of 396 gr. 
Switch to 125 grain broadheads and you'll be at .434 recommended spine. It'd be 14.7%, 55.22 ft-lbs, 243 FPS, 421 gr.

Drop from 20-50, KE at 50
125 gr: 41.2", 47.4
100 gr: 39.2", 46.5

My recommendation for you is longer arms  :chuckle:  Sorry, couldn't resist.
Bring a GPS!  It's awkward to have to eat your buddies!

Offline SpokaneSlayer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Posts: 1252
  • Location: Anchorage, AK
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 09:23:59 PM »
 :chuckle:  Funny guy!  I know I kinda get screwed with short arms.  I have some 500's at home since I was pulling 55 with my old bow.  I'll compare the two.  If the 500's fly better I'll used them, but keep the 400's since I want to work up to 65.  Thanks!




"Let freedom ring with a shotgun blast!" - Machine Head

Offline lokidog

  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 15186
  • Location: Sultan/Wisconsin
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 10:18:16 PM »
Nice job Todd.  Look forward to sending you some info.

Offline Shootmoore

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 1301
  • Location: Skagit
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2010, 12:01:21 AM »
Cool still trying to figure out which arrows to get

Unkown year, Howatt, The Stick, 60#@28, Easton, feathers, 3, 125gr, 3 blaid, not.

Prefer Alum over Carbon, while Im not a total Trad shooter I prefer metal over wood or carbon.

Thanks

Shootmoore

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+29)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 50165
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: jackelope
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2010, 07:20:50 AM »
OK....I wanna make sure I'm shooting the right arrows.
2009 hoyt alphamax 32, 30" cams, 70#.
I am currently shooting 31.5" Easton Camo ST Axis 340's, 4 blazer vanes and 4 blade 100 grain slick tricks, 3" wraps, HIT inserts and standard old nocks.
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline Todd_ID

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2926
  • Location: Clarkston
  • Hunt Hard!
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2010, 09:48:34 AM »
Shootmore, I have seen some stuff for recurves in here, but there are no bow selections for any recurves or longbows.  Can't help much with the traditional stuff, I guess.
Bring a GPS!  It's awkward to have to eat your buddies!

Offline NWWABOWHNTR

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 2057
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2010, 09:55:10 AM »
SHootmore,
No expert here but I am pulling 60+ with my 29 1/2" DL on my voodoo stick and 2016's shoot real well.  I thought at first they might be a little light but I am shooting regular inserts (20 GR?) with 5" feathers and 125 gr tips.  I am experimenting with heavier arrows for hunting,  Grizzly STik Alaskans with 70 gr inserts, and 125 gr Tips or 125 Gr Snuffer heads.  They are much heavier than the Easton 2016's.  I have also tried the CE Heritage 250's with the same setup as the Eastons,  they fly well. 
"Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Offline Todd_ID

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2926
  • Location: Clarkston
  • Hunt Hard!
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2010, 10:31:08 AM »
OK....I wanna make sure I'm shooting the right arrows.
2009 hoyt alphamax 32, 30" cams, 70#.
I am currently shooting 31.5" Easton Camo ST Axis 340's, 4 blazer vanes and 4 blade 100 grain slick tricks, 3" wraps, HIT inserts and standard old nocks.

For your setup it says the recommended spine is .293, so the 340's are quite a bit underspined.  Even turning down the bow to 60# it wanted a .323 spine, so it'd still be a little weak but would work with the Slick Tricks.  You, however, being a large, strong man (I've shot with him) didn't have any trouble with 70#, so my recommendation is to go with a 300 spine arrow.  I don't mind the under 10% FOC in your case, because you said you are shooting Slick Trick's, and I know that they are very well known for flying well at lower FOC's.  If you had said Magnus Stinger or Muzzy, then I would have said go up to 125 grains to get more FOC.  Maybe keep the 340's for 3D shoots this spring and put a 65 grain field point on it...or sell them to me....then get some 300's for elk hunting.

Here are the numbers for your setup now: 292 FPS, 9.66% FOC, 89.5 ft-lbs KE, 473 grain arrow.

Here is what a 300 spine would do: Hit like a freight train and fly predictably...oh, you probably want numbers: 284 FPS, 9.0%, 91.58 ft-lbs, 511 gr

Arrow Drop 20-50 yds, KE at 50 yds
300 spine: 29.4", 75.2
340 spine: 27.3", 73.7
Bring a GPS!  It's awkward to have to eat your buddies!

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+29)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 50165
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: jackelope
Re: An offer to help
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2010, 10:58:04 AM »
*censored*...that kinda pisses me off...wanna buy some arrows?
i did chrono the arrows i'm shooting now at 282fps so the program is reasonably accurate i guess.

here's another one for you...
2009 diamond iceman, 66# draw weight, 27.5" draw length shooting 340 st axis arrows, 3 blazers and 100 grain muzzy 3 blades, hit inserts and no wraps.

what say ye all knowing pooter??
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed by trophyhunt
[Today at 06:02:48 AM]


Fawn dropped by Bearhunter308
[Yesterday at 10:46:04 PM]


Idaho General Season Going to Draw for Nonresidents by huntnnw
[Yesterday at 10:25:42 PM]


Best gear shop? by highside74
[Yesterday at 10:03:17 PM]


New fisher looking to catch some pinks this year by actionshooter
[Yesterday at 09:16:44 PM]


Looking for grouse hunting or pheasant hunting friend by raydog
[Yesterday at 09:11:26 PM]


Looking for English Pointer pup (Elhew and/or Guard Rail lines) by Tafinder
[Yesterday at 08:17:05 PM]


Commercial crab pots going in today. by storyteller
[Yesterday at 07:31:14 PM]


free fishing weekend but not all is included! PSA by MADMAX
[Yesterday at 07:24:55 PM]


Jetty Fishing by jackelope
[Yesterday at 06:10:56 PM]


where is everyone? by dagon
[Yesterday at 01:23:20 PM]


What is the VA Funding Fee and Its Purpose? by pianoman9701
[Yesterday at 10:43:39 AM]


Brittany breeders by Wingin it
[June 03, 2025, 10:31:28 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal