An offer to help

[PolarBear]

What arrows should i be shooting beman ics 400?

 You already have more than enough horsepower to blow through a cape buffalo, so dial it down to where it'll just blow through a polar bear.

HEY NOW!  Watch it with the shooting polar bear talk!  

[bowhunterforever]

Thanks for the help, i'll probably just turn it down to 65#. I was showing my buddy this topic and he was wondering if you could check his out too. 2007 elite synergy , 28 1/2 draw with smooth modules,  set at70# with gold tip XT hunter 5575 cut 29 1/2 and 100grain tips.

[Todd_ID]

Thanks for the help, i'll probably just turn it down to 65#. I was showing my buddy this topic and he was wondering if you could check his out too. 2007 elite synergy , 28 1/2 draw with smooth modules,  set at70# with gold tip XT hunter 5575 cut 29 1/2 and 100grain tips.

For your buddy: shows 5.5 gr/lb, so a bit under legal for hunting (but this is only for target, right?).  307 fps, 385 gr arrow, 12.26% FOC, 81 ft-lbs KE, 20-50 drop of 23.5", KE @ 50: 68.5 ft-lbs.  Recommended spine is .301", so his .400" 5575's are way underspined  .  Cutting them to 27" doesn't even come close (rec. spine of .328" with 70#), and a 27" arrow and 60# draw still needs .367" spine.  Best recommendation is to go to 7595's (.340" spine) cut at 28.5" and 65# draw with the 100 grain heads.  That'd be 294 fps, 6.28 gr/lb (now legal), 408 grain arrow, 10.2% FOC, 78.4 ft-lbs KE, 20-50 drop of 26.4", KE @ 50: 66.4 ft-lbs.  Or he could cut the 7595's at 28" and use 125 grain heads to get to 12.6% FOC and a better flying arrow. 

[Todd_ID]

Arrows are getting expensive !         

No doubt!  I've bought the last several sets of arrows on classifieds just because of the price problem.  I did pay full price for my target arrows, though.  You've got to pay to play that game!

[Hornseeker]

Hey Todd,

My buddy is trying to get setup.... see if you have data for this outfit.

Its a Martin Magnum Panther (Maybe 10 yrs old???) set at 65# and 29". He's shooting a whisker biscuit... He is trying to shoot 7595's with a 250 grain point weight (175 grain Snuffers with 75 grain steel adaptors)... will these shafts work? Cut to what length?

Thanks, let me know if you need more info.

[Gamblin Guy]

Hey Todd,

I just found this thread, looks like a cool program.  I had one called "TAP" several years ago but didn't keep up with all the upgrades.  Can you give me the numbers on this set up?

2010 PSE Vendetta XS L6
65#'s at 29"
PSE Radial Crossweave STL 300's cut 29" 3 blazers and 100 grain tips.

Thanks Todd!

[Todd_ID]

Hey Todd,

My buddy is trying to get setup.... see if you have data for this outfit.

Its a Martin Magnum Panther (Maybe 10 yrs old???) set at 65# and 29". He's shooting a whisker biscuit... He is trying to shoot 7595's with a 250 grain point weight (175 grain Snuffers with 75 grain steel adaptors)... will these shafts work? Cut to what length?

Thanks, let me know if you need more info.

At 65# he needs a .300 spine arrow for any length.  At 60#, he could get away with a 27" arrow (recommended spine of .329").  Basically not going to get a .340 spine to work great with a rest that allows that short of an arrow.  You could try, though.  Try cutting an old arrow at 27" and putting his head on and see if it hits the rest on the draw or if he can pull it off by overdrawing (like happens with a big bull in front of you) when excited.
60# and 27" is 229 fps, 22.5% FOC, 62.1 ft-lbs KE, 533 gr arrow.

[Todd_ID]

Hey Todd,

I just found this thread, looks like a cool program.  I had one called "TAP" several years ago but didn't keep up with all the upgrades.  Can you give me the numbers on this set up?

2010 PSE Vendetta XS L6
65#'s at 29"
PSE Radial Crossweave STL 300's cut 29" 3 blazers and 100 grain tips.

Thanks Todd!

No problem,
Shows 289 fps, 389.4 gr arrow, 5.991 gr/lb, 11.79% FOC, 72.5 ft-lbs KE, recommended spine of .312", so your .359" 300's are a bit weak.  20-50 drop 27.4", KE @ 50: 61.5 ft-lbs.  If you're having any issues with tuning, then I'd look close at arrow spine.  If they're flying perfect, then make double sure to check them quite often to avoid a handful of carbon splinters.

[Gamblin Guy]

Thanks Todd,

I thought they might be under a bit, i'll back off the poundage a little bit for him and then we'll get him some 340's next year.  I'll probably replace the WB next spring too and go to a drop away.  I can cut the 300's down and shoot them out of my old enforcer.

It's pretty cool for you to do this for everyone, thanks again.

Dan

[doekillrssuck]

i have an elite e-500 set @ 58# 28in. draw muzzy 75gr. broadheads that actually weigh 81grains. carbon express maxima hunter 250's cut to 27 1/4'' long nap quick fletch vanes.. would like to know what you come up with thanks..

[Todd_ID]

i have an elite e-500 set @ 58# 28in. draw muzzy 75gr. broadheads that actually weigh 81grains. carbon express maxima hunter 250's cut to 27 1/4'' long nap quick fletch vanes.. would like to know what you come up with thanks..

Found a 2007 E-500 with smooth mods, hope that's it, otherwise it'll be darn close.  Looks like 277 fps, 348 gr arrow, 8.9% FOC, 59.7 ft-lbs KE, 6.01 gr/lb, 20-50 drop: 30.7", KE @ 50: 49.6 ft-lbs.  Recommended spine is .419", so your .417" 250's are perfect.  The only reason you would have any trouble at all is the low FOC for Muzzy's.  They have a reputation for poor flight, but if they're working for you, then stick with them.  If flight is a problem at all, then try a 100 grain head; it only changes the recommended spine down to .406", so you'd still be fine with your arrows, but it takes your FOC to 11.1%, and that's a good thing for a tough-to-steer broadhead.

[micahash1]

BOW INFO
2008
Martin
Firecat
26"
60lbs

ARROW INFO
Maxima 250
25.5" shaft
2" Blazer Veins (3)
100G field points
100G 3 blade broadheads
Nock collar

[Todd_ID]

BOW INFO
2008
Martin
Firecat
26"
60lbs

ARROW INFO
Maxima 250
25.5" shaft
2" Blazer Veins (3)
100G field points
100G 3 blade broadheads
Nock collar

271 fps
345 grain arrow
12.6% FOC
5.76 gr/lb (oops! not quite legal)
56.6 ft-lbs KE
20-50 drop: 31.75"
KE @ 50: 48.6 ft-lbs
Recommended spine of .451"
Your spine: .417"

[croix]

i'm having a hard time getting broadheads tuned and think i may be at the edge of my recommended spine.

'09 Hoyt AM32
~72 lbs (limbs are maxed)
28" draw

arrows are the 400 spine full metal jackets cut to 27.25"
100 gr. montec broadhead
4" vanes

thanks

[Todd_ID]

i'm having a hard time getting broadheads tuned and think i may be at the edge of my recommended spine.

'09 Hoyt AM32
~72 lbs (limbs are maxed)
28" draw

arrows are the 400 spine full metal jackets cut to 27.25"
100 gr. montec broadhead
4" vanes

thanks

Your recommended spine is .328", so your 400's are weak, like you thought.  Drop to 60#, and the recommended spine is .377", so the 400's would be a lot closer.  Maybe borrow a buddy's 340's to try for a while to decide if you want to go to them or drop the poundage.