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HEADS UP IF YOU ARE BUYING A GUN OUT OF STATE!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 19, 2010, 06:26:04 PM »
I just found out about this crap............... :bash:.

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  Interstate transfers of firearms
 Washington residents sometimes purchase firearms from out-of-state persons. Because of state and federal laws, a firearm purchased by a Washington resident must be sent from the out-of state person to a federally licensed gun store located in Washington State.

Once the Washington gun dealer has conducted the required background checks the dealer will transfer the firearm to the Washington resident.

The following information provides instructions for the taxability of such transfers.

Is the transfer of a firearm subject to sales tax?
In an interstate transfer of firearms the Washington gun dealer is required to collect retail sales tax from the Washington resident on the purchase price of the firearm. The retail sales tax is collected from the Washington customer at the time the customer takes possession of the firearm. Sales tax is collected on the total selling price, including freight and/or delivery charges and other amounts added, such a an amount for insurance coverage. 

However, sales tax does not apply on the service charge for processing the required Federal and State forms and contacting the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) when the fee is stated separately from the selling price of the firearm and freight and/or delivery charges, insurance, etc.

How are these transactions reported on the Excise Tax Return?
When completing the Excise Tax Return the gross selling price of the firearm is reported under the retailing business and occupation (B&O) tax classification and the retail sales tax lines. The dealer is allowed a deduction under the retailing B&O tax classification for “consignment sales.” 

The fee received (when separately stated on the purchase invoice) for the transfer service is reported under the service and other activities B&O tax classification. Sales tax is not collected on this transaction.

Applicable law
RCW 82.12.040(1) states:

Every person who maintains in this state a place of business or a stock of goods, or engages in business activities within this state, shall obtain from the department a certificate of registration, and shall, at the time of making sales of tangible personal property, extended warranties, or sales of any service defined as a retail sale in RCW 82.04.050 (2)(a) or (3)(a), or making transfers of either possession or title, or both, of tangible personal property for use in this state, collect from the purchasers or transferees the tax imposed under this chapter. The tax to be collected under this section shall be in an amount equal to the purchase price multiplied by the rate in effect for the retail sales tax under RCW 82.08.020. (Emphasis added).


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Re: HEADS UP IF YOU ARE BUYING A GUN OUT OF STATE!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 06:28:20 PM »
bad bad bad bad bad bad.....I picked a hell of a week to ship...
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 06:29:06 PM »
me too. good thing idaho is closer then spokane to me

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Re: HEADS UP IF YOU ARE BUYING A GUN OUT OF STATE!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 06:30:54 PM »
Hasn't this been in effect for a long time?  I bought a rifle online probably 8-10yrs ago and had to have it shipped to a local gun shop.  Most gun shops charge a small fee to process the paperwork.  
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 06:32:35 PM »
It would have been cheaper for me to fly to taxas than pay the tax on my gun...Ill send it back and fly down to pick it up before I pay the dam tax.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 06:36:17 PM »
Hasn't this been in effect for a long time?  I bought a rifle online probably 8-10yrs ago and had to have it shipped to a local gun shop.  Most gun shops charge a small fee to process the paperwork. 

Shops charge 20 or so bucks for the ffl tansfer.  That paperwork fee is not subject to sales tax according to the post, but apparently now the price of the gun and shipping is.  Sucks!  Buy local and face to face, no taxes and noone knows....

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Re: HEADS UP IF YOU ARE BUYING A GUN OUT OF STATE!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 06:37:12 PM »
This is nothing new guys. Any time you buy a gun from out of state and have it shipped here it needs to go through an FFL. Same thing when I've sold out of state (even long guns) i had to send them to the buyers FFL.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 06:44:34 PM »
Were talking about sales tax not a tranfer fee.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 06:47:41 PM »
Yeah, it was that way when I used to work on guns.  Any gun that came through had to be recorded, and if it was a transfer, then sales tax had to be collected.  That's been quite a while now, as I gave up my FFL in '96.  Sales tax is nothing new.
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Re: HEADS UP IF YOU ARE BUYING A GUN OUT OF STATE!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 06:48:16 PM »
That sucks big time.  Total B.S.   :bash:

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 06:49:34 PM »
Well, I've bought a few guns over the internet and never paid a dime on tax...........hopefully I will get away with it again in the future.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 07:12:17 PM »
I don't think I paid sales tax when I did it...probably shouldn't say that on the net, they may come after me!    :o
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 07:16:59 PM »
 :dunno: bad crap.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 07:42:58 PM »
I have transfered plenty of guns to this dealer. it is new to him. perhaps he got audited........I dunno. another tax, how wonderful.

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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2010, 08:31:42 PM »
I just bought off of GB from a shop in Idaho, 3 weeks ago.  I paid my local FFL $25 for his fee, plus $2 in tax on his FEE.  I wasn't charged a DIME in tax for the actual rifle sale.  The RCW that is quoted only covers items bought from an out of state business, that also maintains an in-state store also, such as Cabelas.  If you buy something from Joes gun shack in nuckenfutz, Wyoming, and they dont have a store in Washington, no sales tax.  If you order over the web from Cabelas in Nebraska, because they have a store in Lacey, they have to charge state sales tax for the state you are in.  Absolutely nothing new.  No reason to panic people.
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