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The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« on: January 27, 2008, 06:33:22 PM »
The Perfect Smoked Salmon

Brine:
2 cups brown sugar
½ cup salt
½ cup soy sauce
3 cups water
2 tbsp garlic powder
2 tbsp onion powder
1 cup red wine (most say use white, I like red, it adds good color too)
2 tbsp tabasco sauce
2 tbsp Worchestershire sauce

Note: Most recipes call for way too much salt, the brown sugar makes the brine, not the salt.

Mix all ingredients together and let set for an hour to allow brine to saturate, stir thoroughly. Soak fish in brine for 12-20 hours depending on thinkness. (I don’t rinse after brining like many instructions say.) Place on smoker racks with thickest pieces at the bottom and thickest side orientated to the sides. Sprinkle fresh gound pepper and brown sugar on each piece of fish. I use a simple Big Chief smoker and start with 3 pans of alder chips over the first 3 hours. After a total of 6-8 hours(depending on thickness) the fish is done. I use the original box as an insulation blanket around the smoker.  Here are the before and after pics. I smoked this batch today and am eating this piece right now (It's the BOM).
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2008, 07:05:04 PM »
That looks really good! You forgot to mention the fresher the fish the better. I recently retired as a commercial fisherman of 27 years in AK and have probably  tried every brine/recipe out there. The only problem I see with yours is the timing. I'm impatient so I like a dry brine. Something you can do in a couple hours before smoking. I have a little chief and know the temp. it puts out. 2 or 3 pans of chips starting at 9 and it's done in the morning. I still have a big chief I've never used. Your timing may take longer, but I bet the taste is awesome. Some day I may have to see  ;) Have you ever use it to make a salmon dip? Mix it up with some cream cheese and a little liquid smoke, don't forget to add beer. To you not the dip!

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2008, 07:09:01 PM »
What temp do you guys smoke your salmon at?  I have an electric Brinkman and it heats up to around 200-225 degrees, that seems a little to hot to smoke so I'm always cracking the cover open to cool it down.

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2008, 07:25:29 PM »
tmike,

Please post the procedure/ingredients for the dry brine. I've never tried the dry version and would like to try one that has been refined already. I, like you, have tried many different brines and finally tweaked one to fit how I like it. Yes, fresh fish is always best but when you run out of the smoked fish in the middle of the winter it works good on the frozen fillets too. I have made lots of salmon dip with the cream cheese (never used liquid smoke, until now :chuckle:) I usually save the dryer pieces for that. Finally, it is even better with a beer or mixed drink of your choice.

FISHBOY,

I have never measured the temp in the smoker, but using the original box as an insulator I would estimate the temp at 150-160ish. It's no where near 200-225.
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 08:02:50 PM »
As far as temps. go, I don't know! To be honest I've never checked it. All I know is that my little chief is cooler so I can leave it all night and not worry about it over cooking. Winter or summer makes a difference also. That's why I haven't tried the big chief because I haven't figured out the timing. I would rather use a colder smoke and check my fish more often until I figure it out. Fortunately I've had my little chief for about 20 years so the figuring is done. I also use it in the original box, but it has been rode hard and put away wet so I'm not sure how much more it can take. The pan on the bottom is rusted out so I have to use foil on it so the sugar doesn't drip into the chips.

I don't think I've refined anything. I always think there is a better way, except for the favorite beverage part before , during , and after. I have that part down.I think the key to a dry brine is also timing. Mortons sugar cure is good, it comes in a blue 1lb bag. Rub that on your fillets for no more than 1 1/2 hours, then rinse it well, let dry, put in smoker, sprinkle brown sugar, drink, smoke, eat. Very easy and good.

Lately I've mixed 2 parts brown sugar, to 1 part salt. Layered the fish and brine and refrigerate for 3-4 hours. It will turn to liquid. Rinse lightly, drink more, dry, smoke , eat.

Here's one that's not really a dry brine but can be done quickly.I learned from an old Italian to just use a 100% brine. Drop a potato in a pot of water, heat, and start adding salt. When the potato floats it's 100%. Lay your fish in a cooler and poor the cooled brine over the top. Leave for 15-30 minutes max. Lay the fillets on an angle and let them drain for a few hours. Drink, smoke, eat. Fresh is the key to this one and I guess I've been spoiled having access to great fish. For all I know the brines suck, but if you have fresh fish, which isn't always an option, and add beverages you can't go wrong. I like to keep it simple.

Now if you want to pickle some. I can hook you up with a killer recipe that's pretty easy too!  :brew:

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 08:12:14 PM »
Looks great but the only problem I see is none of us get to tast it :)
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2008, 08:12:38 PM »
tmike's pickled Salmon is to die for! I call it Gold "it's like Gold I tell ya!"  :drool:
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 08:18:54 PM »
The next get together Wea300mag brings the smoked, I'll bring the pickled. Who's going to get the fresh sockeye fillets?

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 08:25:42 PM »
300,
I use a dry brine and I get many compliments after years of perfecting. I use a mixture of brown sugar 3 cups to 1 cup of salt,red pepper flakes,garlic salt or powder, and a little of an other seasoning you might like. I then lay the fillets in a glass container face up and rub the mixture into the fillets and then the nextlayer will be face down and then rotate each layer. I will let them brine over night in the fridge and then I will rinse the fillets thoroughly the next morning. Then I will lay them on the racks to dry for about three hours. Once they have dried I sprinkle brown sugar on the fillets and then put them on the smoker at about 160-180 for 6-8hrs depending on the size of fillet. I like lower heat for my fish.
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2008, 08:52:38 PM »
From the pictures it looks like 300 has his down too. I'll try to refine my dry with your method. That doesn't sound like to much work. Thanks

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2008, 09:29:30 PM »
Try something new. When you take it out of the smoker take it out and rub some honey on it. Toss it in the oven for 15 minutes at 350... Try not to eat it all...
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2008, 10:19:38 PM »
TMIKE,
It is pretty easy and painless. The biggest mistake I see people do is too much salt. I usually go 3 to 1 brown sugar to salt and sometimes even 4 to 1. I do not like salty. Make sure you let the fish dry until it is nice and tacky.

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2008, 10:38:36 PM »
I think with all the dry brines controlling the amount of salt is the hardest. Timing is everything. I will increase the sugar to 3 to 1 and try it. Starting the smoke to early without drying the fish long enough is also very important like you said. Thanks for the advice. You also have to adjust for the type of fish you are using. I even tried smoking Halibut, but that didn't work out to well.

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 05:56:19 PM »
I like my smoked salmon with a bunch of flavors (you can tell by the long list of stuff I add to the brine) so the dry brine with onion/garlic/red pepper/etc sounds real good.
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 11:37:02 PM »
Looks good!!! Will have to try them all!
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2014, 07:41:34 PM »
Been thinking about a new salmon brine so I delved into the archives. GOLD! PURE GOLD! this looks great and I just mixed the brine up its soaking in the fridge. Put the fish in tonight, pull it out in the a.m. and get to work. WIll post an update tomorrow.
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2014, 08:07:42 PM »
Well without KCKracker we will never know if it is the Best or Not!!!!!!!!!!  :chuckle:
Looks pretty good to me

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2014, 08:12:22 PM »
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2014, 08:47:37 AM »
Out of the brine and tacking up real quick before it heads for the smoker. Smells amazing. Will get a nice dollop of brown sugar on each piece before it goes in.
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2014, 08:50:57 AM »
Looks beautiful

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2014, 09:11:48 AM »
Glad to see this post, I just bought a Landmann propane smoker and was looking for a brown sugar brine to try.

Thanks for posting ;)

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2014, 09:17:16 AM »
Out of the brine and tacking up real quick before it heads for the smoker. Smells amazing. Will get a nice dollop of brown sugar on each piece before it goes in.
What type of smoker do you have? How long do you leave them in for and at what temps? Firing mine up this weekend.


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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2014, 09:39:35 AM »
Close to the recipe I use. Smoked a big batch of salmon and halibut yesterday. Surprised to see the earlier post that says the halibut didn't turn out. Smoked halibut is spectacular. I always eat that before the salmon.
Do you leave the halibut in as long as the salmon?

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2014, 09:54:10 AM »
From the pictures it looks like 300 has his down too. I'll try to refine my dry with your method. That doesn't sound like to much work. Thanks

Tmike, I don't live far from you in the Claw. I just finished smoked elk and deer pepperoni, summer S. and kielbasa if you want to trade some pickled fish!

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2014, 10:24:51 AM »
Salmon University has a good brine recipe on their site. :tup:

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2014, 11:10:59 AM »
Close to the recipe I use. Smoked a big batch of salmon and halibut yesterday. Surprised to see the earlier post that says the halibut didn't turn out. Smoked halibut is spectacular. I always eat that before the salmon.
Do you leave the halibut in as long as the salmon?

Halibut is really mild and takes on the flavor of the brine easily. If I have two like size pieces of salmon and halibut, I would remove the halibut earlier than the salmon. I skin my halibut and it will also cook faster so I watch it fairly close towards the end. With a brown sugar rub recipe it is really good. I tried one piece of black rockfish with this batch. It was terrible.

Thanks JKEEN33, I don't have any black rockfish so no worries there ;) What temps are you running on the smoker?


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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2014, 12:58:46 PM »
Be careful using the box for insulation, I was doing it in my carport and went out to check it. I couldn't find the box, all there was, was a bunch of ash on my car. It did a little damage to the grill, but as there was 4 cords of red fir it could have been a big fire and the fish was over cooked.  I now use an old frig. For a better looking fish, try a honey and maple syrup glaze. Brush it on and cook a little longer. The fish comes out with a glossy finish and tastes good.

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2014, 01:30:16 PM »
Got this from a buddy, have to give credit to "Nog" whoever he is.

Had a Buddy ask about my latest Candy Recipe.   Here's a new one I tried with great success recently:
 
Cut Salmon into appropriate sizes chunks, then introduce to brine. (can be regular smoking size, doesn’t have to be the thin strips)
 
Brine:
1 gallon of White Cranberry Juice
1/2 cup Lemon juice
1/4 Cup Vanilla Extract
3 cups Demerara Sugar
1 cup Coarse Salt
I bag Dry Mustard (he says it’s about a 3”x 3” or 4”x 4” bad)
Garlic to your taste
 
Brine 24 hours, rinse and pat dry. Place on racks under the fans to dry.
 
Glazing:
 
Once dry to touch, glaze (standard squirter bottle works well), dry, repeat, dry and repeat 3rd time. Takes ~ 18 - 24 hours.
 
Glaze mixture:
1/3 vanilla Extract
1/3 Real maple Syrup
1/3 Rum
 
Smoking:
 
Smoke on medium heat (again 1/2 Alder, 1/2 Apple Chips) until close, then glaze a final time and finish. Very sweet tasting product that is also rather eye-appealing:
 
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2014, 02:08:22 PM »
Smoking time depends on thickness and preference.  Minimum 2.5 hours and up.  Temperature should be around 160. Outside temperature and humidity plays a part in smoking time. Really important to let fish tack up after brine.  I have layed out in front of fan to speed up dry time before placing in smoker

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2014, 02:11:32 PM »
Salmon University has a good brine recipe on their site. :tup:

I've used this one for years and it's darn near perfect. I think the secret is in how he cuts his fish into smaller bits, while leaving them on the skin. Hard to describe, but easy when you see the pictures.

http://www.salmonuniversity.com/rs_htss01_index.html

Go easy on the salt and I use Costco minced garlic. Easy-Peasy.

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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2014, 03:36:07 PM »
FInished product. This is only the 2nd batch of fish I've ever smoked, and I learned a lot this go around. I was planning on a 12-15 hour brine soak, and ended up having to cut it short to about 8.5-9 hours. The smaller/thinner pieces were perfect, but the larger pieces I could tell had not soaked nearly long enough.

I ended up smoking them for about 4 hours at 110 degrees or so, and then 2 hours at 140 and then finished with enough time at 175 to bring them to a 155 I.T. Overall the finished product is very good, I ate a substantial amount of it before I got it all packaged up  :)  Some of the larger pieces that didn't soak up the brine are a little on the dry/chalky side. I am planning on another batch next week probably that I will make sure get a much longer soak in the brine to see what kind of difference that makes.
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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2014, 01:47:57 PM »
Man I miss Washington!  That looks good!


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Re: The Perfect Smoked Salmon
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2015, 08:35:15 AM »
2nd batch is in the smoker with the fan blowing on it forming its pellicle right now. The last batch only got about a 10 hour soak in the brine, this one is 15-17 hours and the overall product out of the brine appears to be much more consistent and overall, better. With how good the last batch tasted, I'm hoping this is as good or better!

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