Permit Change

[SkookumHntr]

Wow, 3 in 15 yrs!?  You are doing better than me.  I have one since '94 and have only drawn twice in my life.     I don't understand all the whining.  Pretty simple.  If you don't like it don't play the game.   

-Well your doing better then me, 0for18 here, and it looks like it wont be getting any better for my odds or anybody else

[Bob33]

most hunters don't venture out and try new spots on a regular basis, most guys go to the same camp they have been hunting decade after decade."

True, but that does not imply they are not applying in other areas. In 2008 some 6,000 individuals applied for the Desert A tag.  How many hunt there?  Well, 15 tags were given out.  Margaret A elk: 4,200 applicants.  How many hunted there?  18 permits were given out.

[Deep Forks]

Wow, 3 in 15 yrs!?  You are doing better than me.  I have one since '94 and have only drawn twice in my life.     I don't understand all the whining.  Pretty simple.  If you don't like it don't play the game.   

-Well your doing better then me, 0for18 here, and it looks like it wont be getting any better for my odds or anybody else

Skookum if you have max points for deer and elk you got a better chance than most in this new permit money maker, good luck. 
Lowedog I've been drawn twice in don't know how many years, but was for a buck and bull and now my points are back up again, so I won't cry.  Wrote my letters and voiced my opinion, so now I'll spend for my apps. and not hold my breath.  We do need more opportunities for out youth, this should be a major focuss for WDFW.        AND IF DRAWN     

[Cougeyes]

We do need more opportunities for out youth, this should be a major focuss for WDFW.  

No kidding, they need to open a 2 point only youth hunt in more units.

[bobcat]

I think you can turn your permit back in and keep your points as I read the regs...

That is true. I saw that and thought that would be one way for people to apply in multiple categories, and if 2 permits for the same species are drawn, you can just say you made a mistake on your application and turn it back in before the permit season starts. That might be the way I'll work the system.

[Curly]

The only way for this new system to work is if they make you choose what pool you want your Pt's to go into and start at 0 for the rest, then it would work otherwise this system will be horrible!!!

Exactly.  And they say to ensure fairness, they are distributing the points across all pools......  They say it would be too difficult to do it another way.  WTF........any decent computer programmer should be able to add a box to check for where the applicant wants the points to be.  If I had several points in the draw system, I probably wouldn't be as pissed off about this, but I'd still be mad because it is totally unfair.  The guys with several points will be drawing all the permits for the next few years under this system......

I kind of like a lot of the permits they have listed, I just can't get past the idea that they are giving away points.

I still can't decide if I'm going to continue to support WDFW by giving them my money for permit applications.  I don't know why they think they need to payback the guys who have been applying for premier permits and not getting drawn.

I'm going to have to send another letter about this issue.  I really hated the answer I got.........and I'm sure they don't have time to change the software that they've been working on for almost a year.......

[Curly]

I think you can turn your permit back in and keep your points as I read the regs...

That is true. I saw that and thought that would be one way for people to apply in multiple categories, and if 2 permits for the same species are drawn, you can just say you made a mistake on your application and turn it back in before the permit season starts. That might be the way I'll work the system.

That will cause the WDFW such a headache and a lot more work...........  I like it.

[huntnphool]

That is true. I saw that and thought that would be one way for people to apply in multiple categories, and if 2 permits for the same species are drawn, you can just say you made a mistake on your application and turn it back in before the permit season starts. That might be the way I'll work the system.

So knowing this and having points given to you across the board why would someone NOT apply in every catagory, if they started with points in each one? You still think your odds are going to increase Bobcat or has the lightbulb finally come on.

[WDFW-SUX]

Did anyone else catch that Rocky big tags were reduced by 50%.....(sigh)

[bobcat]

My odds won't increase as I only have 1 deer point and 2 elk points, but those with lots of points may have better odds depending on what they put in for. Those better odds may mean they will just draw a cow permit. But at least they drew a permit. All the whiners who have complained to the WDFW because they haven't ever drawn a permit will now draw a permit. It may not be the permit they have wanted for the last 15 years, but nevertheless, it's a permit!

[bobcat]

By the way, if you didn't notice, they DID add a lot of new permits, especially in the quality category. So more permits could possibly increase odds of drawing. Plus in the quality category a person can only apply for 2 hunts, instead of 4. So a couple of changes, that would tend to increase odds, but then you throw in all the new variables of how many people are going to apply in the quality category AND in the regular bull category, and it's impossible to know how the odds are going to change. As I said before, we will really only know after this year's drawing is over and all the numbers are posted.

[rackattack]

The guys with several points will be drawing all the permits for the next few years under this system......

I find this statement totally untrue.

It is still going to be the same random draw it's always been.  I know one individual that had to use 10 points just for a Boisfort muzzy cow tag.  That's a draw that gives out 40 tags for around 240 applicants.  He should have draw years ago, but some people just have terrible luck in this draw system.  My cousin drew a Toutle muzzy tag with 2 points.  I guess my point is that it is still a random draw and I don't believe high point people will get all the tags. 

[Curly]

The guys with several points will be drawing all the permits for the next few years under this system......

I find this statement totally untrue.

It is still going to be the same random draw it's always been.  I know one individual that had to use 10 points just for a Boisfort muzzy cow tag.  That's a draw that gives out 40 tags for around 240 applicants.  He should have draw years ago, but some people just have terrible luck in this draw system.  My cousin drew a Toutle muzzy tag with 2 points.  I guess my point is that it is still a random draw and I don't believe high point people will get all the tags.  

Sure, it still will be random, but..........there will be a lot more guys applying for a cow tag now that have lots of points given to them.  Guys that normally would not apply for a cow tag will now be applying.  The odds just got way worse for someone to draw a cow tag. 

Sure there may be the random guy drawing a tag with a couple points and there will be the unlucky *censored* that can't draw a tag to save his life........but in general the guys with lots of points built up will be drawing the cow tags and the guys with little to no points will be S.O.L.  I doubt you will see many guys drawing a cow tag with just a few points anymore.......could it happen, yes.....but I doubt it will.  I'd much rather have my name in the hat 100 times than 1.......