Gutless method for deer and elk. Anyone know for sure if it's legal?

[DoubleJ]

There is three videos, they show the whole job.

I didn't see the other two. Didn't mean to rip anyone who did a good job. I thought the first one was it. Guess I'd better go find the other two.

He doesn't show pulling the organs or rib meat but, I choose to believe he felt this was elementary.  I have frequented Cory's website for awhile and I just don't see him as the kind of guy that would leave that kind of meat behind.  When you watch all the videos though, it does give you a better picture of what he's doing.

[Axle]

Yikes!!!!!

I just watched the second (and last) video. Somebody call the game warden! They wasted all the rib meat, all the meat on the outside of the stomach, and who knows what else. I would bet that the state they are in requires "all" the meat to be taken.

I seriously doubt they turned it over 'again' to get that meat. They would've taken it off before turning it over on the dirt.

They also should've de-boned the legs. It only takes a couple minutes on the hind and a few minutes on a front leg. Why pack out the bone when you go that far?

It was a good start but there is certainly room for a game warden to write a fat one on that animal. Responsibility to get all the meat should be number one. Not just convenience.

Maybe I'm just being picky though.

[DoubleJ]

Cory has stated that he leaves the bone in the leg to use as kind of a natural pack frame to help tie it all up.

[Axle]

Cory has stated that he leaves the bone in the leg to use as kind of a natural pack frame to help tie it all up.

When he gets older and more worn out, he will leave bone behind. (one of them anyway)  

Glad to see a video that gets this method out there. I've been trying to tell and teach friends for 20 years how to do this.

[bullcanyon]

So does that mean the head has to stay attached to a chunk of meat or can you get away with breaking it down to the upper part of the head only?  Like say for a european mount?  Trying to picture ourselves not risking a ticket when we are packing meat a long ways I always figured worst case scenario. I'd take the gamie back to the kill site and let him verify the sex.  Probably wouldn't work out well for us though.

[PA BEN]

So does that mean the head has to stay attached to a chunk of meat or can you get away with breaking it down to the upper part of the head only?  Like say for a european mount?  Trying to picture ourselves not risking a ticket when we are packing meat a long ways I always figured worst case scenario. I'd take the gamie back to the kill site and let him verify the sex.  Probably wouldn't work out well for us though.

Male - head with antlers or horns attached or
penis or testes naturally attached to at least
one quarter of the carcass or to the largest
portion of meat.

[ridgefire]

we just leave a little bit of the hair from the scrotum attached to the hind quarter figure thats proof enough of sex

[bullcanyon]

They way that is written is still confusing.  To me it means you can't cut the antlers off the skull.  You aren't going to pack out a full elk head, neck, and front quarter. Easy enough about the penis attatched to a chunk of meat.  Think I'll call them today and have them confer with their lawyer and find out what he means.

[PA BEN]

Look at all the OR's, it's one or the others.

[bullcanyon]

Just spoke with wdfw and we're legal as long as the horns are attatched to skull. So trim down like a european mount. He said no need to attatch organ to meat if i don't saw horns off.

[pods8]

Alaska fish and wildlife have a video out on this too, in such they take off the bulk of the meat gutless but then opt to open the gut sack to get to the tenderloins & organs.  However the loins can be gotten from the backside w/o opening the guts from the front.  Rib strips can be fillet out w/o opening the guts up as long as you are conscious of where the diaphragm is and not cut into it, then by kicking a couple ribs to the side you can access the heart from the side of the carcass.  As with any tips/tricks on things you don't have to use one resource 100% of the way, all the various videos out there you can gleen little things from and evolve the way you choose to do it.  $15 for a hard copy: http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/index.cfm?adfg=pubs.video

They list it as viewable online as well but I can't get it to work, someone else may have better luck with it online(EDIT GOT IT TO WORK!):
Main page http://www.multimedia.adfg.alaska.gov/#video
Direct link: http://www.multimedia.adfg.alaska.gov:8080/WildlifeConservation/biggame.wmv

[grundy53]

Yikes!!!!!

I just watched the second (and last) video. Somebody call the game warden! They wasted all the rib meat, all the meat on the outside of the stomach, and who knows what else. I would bet that the state they are in requires "all" the meat to be taken.

I seriously doubt they turned it over 'again' to get that meat. They would've taken it off before turning it over on the dirt.

They also should've de-boned the legs. It only takes a couple minutes on the hind and a few minutes on a front leg. Why pack out the bone when you go that far?

It was a good start but there is certainly room for a game warden to write a fat one on that animal. Responsibility to get all the meat should be number one. Not just convenience.

Maybe I'm just being picky though.

Not necessarily. Their are states such as Idaho that don't require you to take the rib meat. I still do. But just saying it depends on which state you are in whether you are required to or not.