Hello again thanks for all the response, finnman knows his deer this one was shot on a ranch out of kahlotus. the sucess rate this year very high 95% or so. This one was bedded with his does ,my brother spotted him from a insane distance away and let me know where he was, after about 30 minutes straight up at a crazy pace thanks to another hunting buddy, he is one of those guy to dumb to know he is tired, and i to stubborn to not keep up we came out right above him, at this point the 20 does around him saw us. The time was now he wasn't about to stick around, first shot was a miss low, i saw bullet the impact so i raised up #2 of 300win mag found home down he went. Now after all that i had time to range find it 403 yards down hill, i perfer stocking alot closer than that, but given no time you take what you get.thanks again for all the good words, i will attach pics of other deer including my twin brothers so don't think i killed two.