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Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« on: February 14, 2010, 10:22:32 PM »
have been a licensed hunter and fisherman in this state since the 1950's  I still have my first state hunting license from 1954.  I have seen this state deteriorate from a hunting and fishing paradise to what it is today.  Now to get a decent hunt, one must go out of state.  You now are asking for my help in saving your jobs.  I really have to think about this. 
I thought when you got rid of the last clown to head up the department, you would bring someone in with a set, and let them clean up the mess.  But no, you hired the clown we have now, and nothing has changed.   
You let one of your biologist come in and say a few words as to what he/she wants and you hand it to them.  An example is the late turkey hunt here in Klickitat county.  The biologist that sold you that fairy tale did so for personal reasons.  I know, I ask him why he had it changed to permit hunting in the fall.  He told me it was because he felt that too many hen turkeys would be harvested.  The state of Missouri had a 20 year study that showed quite the opposite, but he neglected to tell you.  Look at you own kill stats.  With 75 permits given out, the highest number killed in one year was 23, Most kills were in the teens.  Now you have expanded it to 150 permits.  This biologist has since retired, in fact did so after you set the new regulations.  I live here.  We have huge flocks of turkeys.  He is a  liar.  But he is a biologist, and therefore his word is the gospel.  The fall season should not require permits.  Period.
Just a few years ago, you let a herd of elk starve in the St. Helens elk conservatory.  They ate all available food.  Channel 6 out of Portland filmed trophy elk  dying out of starvation.   Had someone taken hay in there we could have saved some.  Well that ain't going to happen.  That would take away from the Oregon Spotted Frog and Western Pond turtle program.  You know, that is where you gather the eggs, take them to some zoo in Portland, have them hatched and after they get a certain size, with much publicity, return them back up here.
I don't even take your surveys anymore.  Any idiot can see that all the answers are directed towards what you want.
You gave the Klickitat hatchery to the Yakama Tribe.  You did it in a round about sneaky way, to keep us here in Klickitat County in the dark.  When we got wind  of it, it was too late.  I was at the meetings held here in Klickitat County.  We were promised that the Yakama's while wanting only native steelhead in the Klickitat River, would clip a large number of fish for the sportsmen.  Well guess what.  They don't even raise steelhead at the hatchery.  It is an all salmon hatchery.  So now we have the added expense of hatching, raising, and transporting them form the Skamannia hatchery.  A multimillion dollar hatchery, that you gave away.
Again this year you are raising my hunting and fishing fees.  You keep giving us shorter seasons, and keep adding the costs to it.  For the most part you side with the tree huggers.  You know the floppy hat, knee length, multi pocketed shorts, and drive Subaru's.  You kiss their hind ends.  You bend over backwards to kiss their hind ends.  What do they contribute. A $10.00 parking fee?  Wow.  That helps you a bunch.
A few years ago, Field and Stream magazine called you people the political game department in the nation.  They were right then, and it has only got worse.   Do you really want to know what we think.  Go to Hunting-Washington.com.  Click on the thread about the WDF&W..  You have failed us.  Now you want our help.  The commission was created for a purpose.  You neglect your duties, and turn your backs on us sportsmen and women.  Maybe a change is needed. 
Jerry Wilson
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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 11:54:29 PM »
 :tup: It seems no matter what sportsmens say (or write) it falls on deaf ears. And what jerbear wrote was just a drop in the bucket. Sometimes I think the WDFW do not care what we think because they think they know better. I just wish they would listen.....not just hear but really listen to others that care about the fish and wildlife besides a biologist that may not spend as much time in the hunting and fishing enviorment as others.
Just one more day

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 11:56:08 PM »
         :chuckle:  I agree with you totally Rasbo, the wdfw are supposed to be working for the hunters and fishermen and women. That was the way it was in the 50's and the 60's but something went wrong. Collage kids trained in school not out here on the ground with the people who really know what is going on out here. An example of a job that they did from the desk in Olympia was years ago there used to be a late archery unit in 242 Alta, right next to the Chelan unit, Well setting in their offices they figured that was to close together so lets just do away with the Alta unit. good theory from the office and they didn't even have to leave the office :chuckle: Why did they by up all of that property in the Alta unit, not for the Hunters. Just last year they bought up some more of the Golden Doe ranch, only 50 acres left, they should have bought it all. I here tell it was for "Wolf Habitat". We as hunters would be hard pressed to get an archery unit or kind of hunting there where their endangered wolf lives!  :chuckle:

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 08:18:26 AM »
have been a licensed hunter and fisherman in this state since the 1950's  I still have my first state hunting license from 1954.  I have seen this state deteriorate from a hunting and fishing paradise to what it is today.  Now to get a decent hunt, one must go out of state.  You now are asking for my help in saving your jobs.  I really have to think about this.  
I thought when you got rid of the last clown to head up the department, you would bring someone in with a set, and let them clean up the mess.  But no, you hired the clown we have now, and nothing has changed.  
You let one of your biologist come in and say a few words as to what he/she wants and you hand it to them.  An example is the late turkey hunt here in Klickitat county.  The biologist that sold you that fairy tale did so for personal reasons.  I know, I ask him why he had it changed to permit hunting in the fall.  He told me it was because he felt that too many hen turkeys would be harvested.  The state of Missouri had a 20 year study that showed quite the opposite, but he neglected to tell you.  Look at you own kill stats.  With 75 permits given out, the highest number killed in one year was 23, Most kills were in the teens.  Now you have expanded it to 150 permits.  This biologist has since retired, in fact did so after you set the new regulations.  I live here.  We have huge flocks of turkeys.  He is a  liar.  But he is a biologist, and therefore his word is the gospel.  The fall season should not require permits.  Period.
Just a few years ago, you let a herd of elk starve in the St. Helens elk conservatory.  They ate all available food.  Channel 6 out of Portland filmed trophy elk  dying out of starvation.   Had someone taken hay in there we could have saved some.  Well that ain't going to happen.  That would take away from the Oregon Spotted Frog and Western Pond turtle program.  You know, that is where you gather the eggs, take them to some zoo in Portland, have them hatched and after they get a certain size, with much publicity, return them back up here.
I don't even take your surveys anymore.  Any idiot can see that all the answers are directed towards what you want.
You gave the Klickitat hatchery to the Yakama Tribe.  You did it in a round about sneaky way, to keep us here in Klickitat County in the dark.  When we got wind  of it, it was too late.  I was at the meetings held here in Klickitat County.  We were promised that the Yakama's while wanting only native steelhead in the Klickitat River, would clip a large number of fish for the sportsmen.  Well guess what.  They don't even raise steelhead at the hatchery.  It is an all salmon hatchery.  So now we have the added expense of hatching, raising, and transporting them form the Skamannia hatchery.  A multimillion dollar hatchery, that you gave away.
Again this year you are raising my hunting and fishing fees.  You keep giving us shorter seasons, and keep adding the costs to it.  For the most part you side with the tree huggers.  You know the floppy hat, knee length, multi pocketed shorts, and drive Subaru's.  You kiss their hind ends.  You bend over backwards to kiss their hind ends.  What do they contribute. A $10.00 parking fee?  Wow.  That helps you a bunch.
A few years ago, Field and Stream magazine called you people the political game department in the nation.  They were right then, and it has only got worse.   Do you really want to know what we think.  Go to Hunting-Washington.com.  Click on the thread about the WDF&W..  You have failed us.  Now you want our help.  The commission was created for a purpose.  You neglect your duties, and turn your backs on us sportsmen and women.  Maybe a change is needed.  
Jerry Wilson
17 Soda Springs Road


Great letter Jerbear! The points that you have made are just a few of the how WDFW have let the management of game go by the way side.  They don't do their job but they want us to support them anyway, sounds more like we have politicians than game managers. Defenders of wildlife web site on WDFW site, does anyone remember the Game Department?

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 10:42:22 AM »
Great letter.  I hope to hear a lot more like this.  They have funded their agenda on the backs of hunters and fishers the whole time they were compromising away our heritage.  It would be like the last part of "Alice's Restaurant"   :chuckle: :chuckle:

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You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him.  And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both *censored*s and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization.  And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out.  And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

Its the Hunt-WA anti-WDFW Status Quo Movement.  And all you got to do to join is write a nasty email.   :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 10:49:06 AM »
great letter Jerbear

I agree it is a bit like the end of that song and the tree huggers been doing it since that song was written so why not the sportsmen...

Great letter.  I hope to hear a lot more like this.  They have funded their agenda on the backs of hunters and fishers the whole time they were compromising away our heritage.  It would be like the last part of "Alice's Restaurant"   :chuckle: :chuckle:

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You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him.  And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both *censored*s and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization.  And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out.  And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

Its the Hunt-WA anti-WDFW Status Quo Movement.  And all you got to do to join is write a nasty email.   :chuckle: :chuckle:


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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 11:03:03 AM »
Montana hunting license from now on for upland and if I feel like doing a deer hunt wait and put in for a anterless hunt(don't eat the antlers anyway so it does not matter to me one bet if I shoot a doe or a buck)
Probably go fish the rez in Idaho that way I only pay 1/4 the cost for my license.

WDFW here ya go  :ass:

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 11:08:32 AM »
Nicely said Jerbear. 8)
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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 11:09:14 AM »
I will continue to hunt here as long as it is possible, simply because I can not afford out of state licenses at this time.  However, they will know how I feel on every questionnaire, and will be sending an email to them on a weekly basis till they figure out how I feel.   :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Jerbear, good job!  Let us know if you get a response.
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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 11:22:53 AM »
I will continue to hunt here as long as it is possible, simply because I can not afford out of state licenses at this time.  However, they will know how I feel on every questionnaire, and will be sending an email to them on a weekly basis till they figure out how I feel.   :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Jerbear, good job!  Let us know if you get a response.
I thought the same as you on cost, but I actually shoot pheasant limits, sharp tailed grouse when there. I estimated that the out of state upland license + gas came out to the same or cheaper than hunting WA because of the many days I put in to try to shoot just one or maybe if real lucky two pheasant. The other deal is most private land in Montana is on the block system and that helps one hell of a lot in the pursuit of game. Nope I'm afraid WDFW has lost my bucks that I put in here and the retail people lost gas money spent, the feds and state are out the camping fees in WA. Idaho and Montana will be seeing Sisu's dollars.

This fall, the gods willing, we'll be there again with the wall tent, dog and having fun.

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2010, 11:35:41 AM »
sisu, I agree with what you are doing.  However, I primarily hunt big game.  To cost prohibitive for me to go out of state at this time.  In a couple of years, that may change, and if it does, I will be setting camp up next to you in Montana. 
By my honorable conduct as a hunter let me give a good example and teach new hunters principles of honor, so that each new generation can show respect for their god, other hunters and the animals, and enjoy the dignity of the hunt.

Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'.

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2010, 06:31:06 AM »
good letter, hope they get many more.... ;)
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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 04:09:37 PM »
Nice job Jerry! You know I often think back to when I was a kid and remember all the things my Grandpa told me he thought would happen in the future concerning our country,hunting,fishing,social security,illegal immigration,etc.....HE was a visionary and I guess somewhat a prophet to things that have happened! A real sad situation here!!

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 04:48:49 PM »
Thanks Rasbo!  :IBCOOL:   Cant believe this people in WDFW DEPT and LOUSY wolf management, and BANNED EVERYTHING whatever we love to hunt and INCRESE MONEY for all tags, parking, Lousy System for all Permits, Etc....  :bash:



WDFW :pee:


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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2010, 04:51:21 PM »
Nice job Jerry! You know I often think back to when I was a kid and remember all the things my Grandpa told me he thought would happen in the future concerning our country,hunting,fishing,social security,illegal immigration,etc.....HE was a visionary and I guess somewhat a prophet to things that have happened! A real sad situation here!!

Back then, I'll be everyone thought he was a conspiracy theorist...
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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2010, 06:23:47 PM »
AMEN Brother!!!

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2010, 06:36:29 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2010, 07:12:08 PM »
AMEN Brother!!!
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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2010, 07:28:27 PM »
Would love to see some more letters.  I know you guys have a lot to say.  :chuckle:

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2010, 07:37:24 PM »
Well put!!! ;) You've motivated me to write a similar letter!!!  We can only hope it doesn't fall on def ears.  Ha! :bash:

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Re: Jerbears letter to the wdfw
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 08:54:00 AM »
Probably a good idea to copy your letters to the commission, the dept, and your local legislators. They all need to know what the people do not like about the WDFW.
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