same rule in Id. as WA. to not take wild steelhead out of water?????

[jackelope]

I am a flyfisherman, and I also own a driftboat with rod holders for my gear rods, and just sold a powerboat with downriggers and stuff...I even have simms waders...because they are good quality stuff.
with that said...
it's a good law. as I said in a different post, 10% of fish that get released die anyway. Why contribute to the problem and risk killing more native fish? Anybody that has fished more than a day in their lives and says they've never been holding a fish and had it flop out of their hands or lost one because they didn't have a good grip on them is full of it. Now drop that fish on the rocks or on the floor of your boat and let it flop around for a while, then pick it up again for your hero shot, etc...all that equals a dead native steelhead...a risk nobody needs to be taking.
 
p.s. bait fishermen as a group are killing a lot more fish either way you look at it by fishing bait whether they take the fish out of the water or not. that ought to really stir the pot.

[backyard bucks]

p.s. bait fishermen as a group are killing a lot more fish either way you look at it by fishing bait whether they take the fish out of the water or not. that ought to really stir the pot.

OH HELL HERE WE GO......

[Machias]

p.s. bait fishermen as a group are killing a lot more fish either way you look at it by fishing bait whether they take the fish out of the water or not. that ought to really stir the pot.

That is probably a fairly accurate statement. 

I guess the only reason I chimed in, is the original question, was is it illegal in ID, to which the answer is NO.  Plus my guide a couple of weekends ago was very conscientious about and with the wild fish.  He showed great care in it's handling, had it out of the water for about 3-5 seconds.  I can tell you he's a very ethical fella.  Just a thought.

[backyard bucks]

[.s. bait fishermen as a group are killing a lot more fish either way you look at it by fishing bait whether they take the fish out of the water or not. that ought to really stir the pot./quote]

i don't think that is fair at all.. we care about the fishes trip up the river and in doing so we are providing them food for their travels..
unlike fly slingers who only trick those poor things and offering them just a bit of feather...WTF.. HA HA HA HA
 

[MtnMuley]

p.s. bait fishermen as a group are killing a lot more fish either way you look at it by fishing bait whether they take the fish out of the water or not. that ought to really stir the pot.

Where do the drift, jig, and spoon fisherman with single barbless fit in?

[woodywsu]

I'll show you how to stir the pot. Fly fisherman FLOSS more fish than any other method out there. 

[jackelope]

p.s. bait fishermen as a group are killing a lot more fish either way you look at it by fishing bait whether they take the fish out of the water or not. that ought to really stir the pot.

Where do the drift, jig, and spoon fisherman with single barbless fit in?

fish swallow bait...hooked deep, bleed out, dead fish. happens much more often than artificials, be it fly gear, spoons, whatever hardware you throw at them.

Flossing is easy to do with whatever method you use with some practice. It used to be the only method in Lake Ontarion tributaries for chinook salmon fishing. It was totally legal to do back there and very effective. Those fish don't eat bait in the rivers. I could floss salmon 3 to 1 when compared to the guys fishing gear rods.

[KimberRich]

Caught 4 wild fish on the Sol Duc yesterday on bait but didn't touch or remove any of the fish from the water.  So I guess I'm a dirt bag for using bait but a decent guy for not removing them for a picture..   

[MtnMuley]

LMAO to woody and Kimber!  I totally agree jackelope on the bait issue, but why do the artificial guys still get a bad rap while fishing around fly fisherman?

[woodywsu]

My good fishing buddy is from Duvall. He knows how to floss with the best of them. I'll admit, I can floss the hell out of fish. But I don't understand how fly fisherman think they are better than anyone on the river and badmouth all these different techniques when a majority of their catches aren't legit. You will never hear a fly fisherman admit he has flossed a fish.

[jackelope]

I just did admit I flossed fish...

[jackelope]

I don't think all flyfishermen are the type of arrogant pukes that a lot of you guys make them out to be. There's a few, but there's a few in every crowd, be it the fishing crowd and the driftboat guys or bank fishermen that get pissed off and resent the jetsled guys for blazing the river, or the trophy hunter guys that resent the meat hunters because they shoot little bucks and the list goes on and on.

WoodyWSU, if I remember correctly you're a biologist. Surely you've got some better info on holding fish out of the water than the risk of dropping them or suffocating them...maybe about their unsupported guts flopping around inside them being bad for them, etc...

[jackelope]

Caught 4 wild fish on the Sol Duc yesterday on bait but didn't touch or remove any of the fish from the water.  So I guess I'm a dirt bag for using bait but a decent guy for not removing them for a picture..   

KimberRich....if you think I am referring to bait fishermen as dirt bags, you need to get to know me a little bit before assuming that. I merely stated a fact that bait fishermen kill more fish than hardware guys.
If you did what you say you did, then I give you a solid pat on the back. I have nothing against bait guys. What I do go against is the idiots that don't know how to handle a fish for release then say they did everything right and that the fish will survive.
Doesn't sound to me like you're that guy.

[woodywsu]

sorry, as a bio, i don't try to concentrate my efforts on holding fish out of water and throwing them up the shoreline. Personally, any salmonid fish I pull out of the water is going home with me. What gets me is the guys who are netting bull trout and holding them and wild steelhead out of water. Usually they are holding them by their peduncle with one hand and the other squezzing their gills. Gets me every time.

And I wasn't bashing anyone who flosses. I just think that SOME of the fly fisherman need to realize that there aren't god of the river or any websites.   

[KimberRich]

Caught 4 wild fish on the Sol Duc yesterday on bait but didn't touch or remove any of the fish from the water.  So I guess I'm a dirt bag for using bait but a decent guy for not removing them for a picture..   

KimberRich....if you think I am referring to bait fishermen as dirt bags, you need to get to know me a little bit before assuming that. I merely stated a fact that bait fishermen kill more fish than hardware guys.
If you did what you say you did, then I give you a solid pat on the back. I have nothing against bait guys. What I do go against is the idiots that don't know how to handle a fish for release then say they did everything right and that the fish will survive.
Doesn't sound to me like you're that guy.

The comment wasn't directed at you at all jackelope..  Sorry if it seemed that way.  I should have put a  after the comment.  Was just stirring the pot a little! No need for a pat on the back but I appreciate that.  I do agree with you that bait fisherman kill more fish than hardware fishermen.  I prefer to not handle any fish, in any way, that I don't intend on bringing home.  I never keep steelhead.  Native or Hatchery.. I have enough Salmon in the freezer to last me so I figure let them go and hopefully they'll reproduce.  Always use small, single, barbless hooks.  I don't care what people say, when you net and/or grab a fish and have scales all over your hands and hold them out of the water I think it kills a ton of the fish.  I think the number is much higher than stated but that's my opinion.  I just want there to be fish left for my kids and other sportsmen.  Not all bait fish are hooked deep.. Here's a picture from yesterday which is exactly what I like to see.  Right in the lip, snapped a quick pic in the water, let it go without touching it at all.