washington state record bull

[bigbeamhunter]

does anyone know what the score is

[huntandjeep]

rifle 423 0/8   archery 392 3/8 typical and 4217/8 non typical same bull

[wastickslinger]

Rifle Non-Typical is now the Agnew bull. The entry score is 436-2/8 net B&C and 446-4/8 gross B&C.

[firecrotch]

 

[Legacy]

There is a picture of this bull in the Gallery, 2008 Elk Album, page 3.

[Legacy]

Should be noted that the Washington State record for typical elk scores 420 4/8 B&C net, is a 7x7 and was killed by Charlie Gunnier in Yakima county (on the reservation) in 1990. The bull ranks #7 all-time typical.

The Washington State record for Roosevelt elk scores 380 6/8 B&C net, is an 8x8 and was killed by Sam Argo in Jefferson county in 1983. The bull ranks #4 all-time Roosevelt.

[JDHasty]

Should be noted that the Washington State record for typical elk scores 420 4/8 B&C net, is a 7x7 and was killed by Charlie Gunnier in Yakima county (on the reservation) in 1990. The bull ranks #7 all-time typical.

The Washington State record for Roosevelt elk scores 380 6/8 B&C net, is an 8x8 and was killed by Sam Argo in Jefferson county in 1983. The bull ranks #4 all-time Roosevelt.

I would be skeptical that that second referenced animal represents a legally taken animal: 

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=860&dat=19790213&id=Y4JUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mY8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6496,2734843&hl=en

IIRC this crew had a reputation that preceded the conviction going back a decade. 

[Ridgerunner]

Interesting read.

[bearhunter99]

So if it was taken illegally it isn't  Fair Chase and should not be in the record books. 

What do they do with poached animals in the record book?  Call them picked up heads so they don't give the poacher credit?  Just curious

[JDHasty]

I am not saying this animal was taken illegally, but I remember back to the days that this crew had a reputation of taking big elk illegally.  That time predated the conviction in ~1980 and at the time I remember the discussions going on at Tacoma Sportsman's Club and Paul Bunion revolving around: at a bare minimum, any record head they claimed should be looked at as suspect and/or the consensus opinion was that they should be disqualified from participation in any of the big game animal record books.

I am not a follower of the books, and when I saw this record referenced it raised a red flag w/me.  The cavalier attitude regarding serial poaching of "record book" bulls by a well known group of individuals was a hot topic back in the mid seventies and when this conviction came down it validated what a lot of people had been saying.     

[gaddy]

Where was this Sam Argo from ? Any one know ?

[The100Road]

does anyone know what the score is

You think you got it beat dont you? Come one............ lets see the pic.

[jackelope]

does anyone know what the score is

You think you got it beat dont you? Come one............ lets see the pic.

That post you quoted was almost 6 years old.
 

[JDHasty]

does anyone know what the score is

You think you got it beat dont you? Come one............ lets see the pic.

That post you quoted was almost 6 years old.
 

And that makes a difference?  How so?  Someone brought this to my attention and when I saw the name it immediately rang a bell. 

[jackelope]

does anyone know what the score is

You think you got it beat dont you? Come one............ lets see the pic.

That post you quoted was almost 6 years old.
 

And that makes a difference?  How so?  Someone brought this to my attention and when I saw the name it immediately rang a bell.

It shouldn't make any difference to you. I wasn't talking about any of your posts. Read back at what specifically I quoted.

[gaddy]

I am only interested in where they are from because if memory is correct there was a crew from Onalaska that was busted some years back. Was wondering if they are the same guys. The name sounded familiar.

[muzbuster]

Where was this Sam Argo from ? Any one know ?

Carbonado area.

[JimmyHoffa]

I am only interested in where they are from because if memory is correct there was a crew from Onalaska that was busted some years back. Was wondering if they are the same guys. The name sounded familiar.

that link said Carbonado, Kent and Buckley

[gaddy]

Thanks, I remember my mom telling me about some guys down the road from her that got busted years ago for taking trophy's and for some reason the name Sam made me recall her story.

[JDHasty]

IIRC they were from Wilkeson/Burnett, but their "known associates" were all over Pierce & Lewis County.  At the time the sportsmen from around the area were furious at what these guys were getting away with.  There was a lot of rumor that they had connections inside the Department of Fish & Game.  There was also a lot of speculation that the Pierce County Sheriff was providing them protection.  Pierce County was basically a branch office of the mob back in those days.   

[The100Road]

does anyone know what the score is

You think you got it beat dont you? Come one............ lets see the pic.

That post you quoted was almost 6 years old.
 

oops. 

[M_ray]

Yep Carbonado, Wilkeson area ...  No secret they took a lot of animals and always seemed to get off on a technicality 
Stop in the Burnett store sometime, if there is still a huge bull on the wall try asking the owner about it ...  he doesn't much want to talk about it and will more than likely clam up and not look ya in the eye after that

[JDHasty]

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19790213&id=w8MSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HPkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6007,3471239&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19790215&id=T1FYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DfcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4100,2894886&hl=en

Here's another article I found online.  I have a whole bunch of newspaper clippings and a stuff at my mother's home and I am sure I have some articles from Fishing & Hunting News and a few others about this story. 

[Elk whack master]

Got pics of this big mt Rainier bull? Any links with pics??

[Ghost Hunter]

Rifle Non-Typical is now the Agnew bull. The entry score is 436-2/8 net B&C and 446-4/8 gross B&C.

On display at Tualatin Cabelas.

[trophyhunt]

Got pics of this big mt Rainier bull? Any links with pics??

If I remember correctly that was the bull that got him in trouble, I think it was Terry Hoffer that noticed the flowers in the picture and knew they only grew at a certain elevation.  He even recognized the area and went up and found the spot where the bull was taken, in the park.  Man this brings up a few memories of my past, years ago.

[ghosthunter]

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19790213&id=w8MSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HPkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6007,3471239&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19790215&id=T1FYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DfcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4100,2894886&hl=en

Here's another article I found online.  I have a whole bunch of newspaper clippings and a stuff at my mother's home and I am sure I have some articles from Fishing & Hunting News and a few others about this story.

Wow the game agent was Terry Hoffer. Long time ago. Hoffer was killed by a hunter with a loaded firearm in his vehicle.  Sorry Sorry No Thread Jack intended.

[M_ray]

Terry may have been the one and definitely helped work the case but I thought it was Bruce Richards that studied the flowers, I know when I spoke to him he was the one that hiked all over Mt Rainier National park until he found the stump that was in the background in the pic! From there you could also see some of the surrounding peaks in the background and of coarse well inside the boundaries of the park.  ... I've seen both Argos kill shot and Bruce's pics side by side at one point in the past just can't remember if it was in the paper after the conviction or what???

[JDHasty]

Got pics of this big mt Rainier bull? Any links with pics??

They should be out there online somewhere.  I had some old Washington Fishing & Hunting News at my moms house, but when I looked at them the other day they were all dry rotted.  I bet the WDFW has some archived.  Like I and others have said, this was a big deal around here.  For years leading up that incident rumors had been circulating regarding what these jerks had been up to.